[Radical_childcare] [Fwd: Re: Cool name!]

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Subject: Re: [Radical_childcare] Cool name!
From:    "faith Kenrick" <faircraft2002 at yahoo.co.uk>
Date:    Fri, October 2, 2009 7:21 am
To:      tumbleweed_freed at riseup.net
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I am a lone voice but again, I do find the whole name as it is very easy
on the ear, a good representation of what the whole thing is about without
being too cheap or commecrial eg 'busy free-bees' or some such trivia.
Truth is so much more attractive than bogus inventions - and considering
how many people respond - even if like me they fail o get to meetings
(altho' I did go along to Brockwell Park and enjoyed the vibe there this
year) but one day I shall~! Faith



Thought for the Day: "Change the way you look at things and the things you
look at change." Dr. Wayne Dyer
 (Emotional Freedom Technique nugget)

--- On Thu, 1/10/09, tumbleweed_freed at riseup.net
<tumbleweed_freed at riseup.net> wrote:


From: tumbleweed_freed at riseup.net <tumbleweed_freed at riseup.net>
Subject: Re: [Radical_childcare] Cool name!
To: "emel kahraman" <emel_kah at yahoo.com>
Cc: "radical childcare" <radical_childcare at lists.aktivix.org>
Date: Thursday, 1 October, 2009, 9:32 PM


Hi emel hope you n family r ok.

Hi all,

i agree we dont wanna be bogged down too much with naming the collecitve,
and if everyone agrees with London Radical Kids Collective then i'm fine
with that, but still think it implies we are a kids collecive- just as
'radical childcare' implies we are childcare providers!

My understanding of a kids collective is one that is solely one runby
kids, but can have adults facilitating. Hoever i doubt we would ever get
to that point, as us adults want to be involved too, therefore making it a
'kids and adults' collective! As i said in previous email, a group of
adults cant really set up a kids collecitve fo the kids, the whole meaning
of kids collecitve is that it has been set up by the kids themselves. The
kids so far invokved in our collecitve are quite young/too few to really
have a proper go at a kids collective. What i thought we were more aiming
for is a collective that has equal imput from both adults and kids, so
treating kids as equals, and encouraging them to be involved in adult
decisionmaking, therefore creating more child-led ideas and initiatives,
yet this still does not mean we are a kids collective.

So i think the name London Radical Kids Collective is fine, but im
sticking to my peaceguns that we arent (and probably not gonna be) a kids
collecitve!!

Do we even have to have the 'collective' bit in there anyway? Can it just
be 'London Radical Kids' or 'London Radical Kids Autonomous Group' or
'London Autonomous Kids Radical Collective' or 'London Kids Radical
Collective'...

;)

xx

> hello all,
>
> sorry havent written earlier but its been an unpleasant week involving
> hospital, thats why this is going to be short email as well, mainly to say
> i agree with anna's points about waiting and im happy with the name LONDON
> RADICAL KIDS COLLECTIVE, i dont think it implies we are a collective
> organized by kids, i think it says thats a collective involving kids ( i
> read it LONDON RADICAL KIDS collective rather than LONDON RADICAL kids
> collective) Â  and i think its sounds better than trying to define it
> (i.e. XXXXX FOR KIDS) coz then it sounds as if grown ups are doing
> something for kids rather than doing that thing with them etc etc.  
>
> love to you all,
> e.
>
> --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Anna Davies <annmaridav at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Anna Davies <annmaridav at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Radical_childcare] Cool name!
> To: "una" <butterflea at riseup.net>, "radical childcare"
> <radical_childcare at lists.aktivix.org>
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:19 PM
>
>
>
>
> Hey
>
> I've filled out the doodle, but the dates may change obviously...thatnks
> for setting it up Una.
>
> I'm concerned that we shouldn't postpone this until the next meeting as
> the name change was to finally enable a blog to be put into place as a way
> of building our group, networking and get things moving. 
>
> I fear if we just postpone this, yet another 3 weeks will go by where
> nothing happens.
>
> I may be jumping the gun a bit, let me know what you all think. 
>
> In terms of the name by the way, I can see the implications of having
> 'kids collective' as being misleading about the group being led by kids
> (which at the moment it isn't), but as far as I can tell in all our
> discussions, this is a reality which we are wholeheartedly aiming for in
> the future anyway?
>
> My 'vote' is with London Radical Kids Collective
>
> Anna
>
> x
>
>> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:58:26 -0700
>> From: butterflea at riseup.net
>> To: radical_childcare at lists.aktivix.org
>> Subject: Re: [Radical_childcare] Cool name!
>>
>> hi all,
>> i agree with all of gemmas points about the name.
>> the only thing i am sure about is that the word "childcare" should not
>> be
>> in it, because it does imply that the group provides childcare.
>> Perhaps we should postpone deciding about the name until the next
>> meeting.The next meeting date has not yet been set so please do fill in
>> the next meeting date "doodle" at http://www.doodle.com/y6vpeecsrtkxuydt
>> so that we can see what time suits everyone and i can book larc.
>> Una
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > yep im fine with the name 'london radilca kids collective' just for
>> ease,
>> > but as we discussed in the meeting, it could be taken in two ways: 1)
>> that
>> > we are a collecitve for london's radical kids, 2) that we are run by
>> the
>> kids as a kids' colletive and we are radical in london.
>> >
>> > we definately are not a kids' collecitve at the moment obviously as
>> the
>> kids havent been consulted on anything much so far! but this was the
>> idea
>> > at the start of this group that we really would be more child-led and
>> once
>> > the group was running well, that we'd have more opportunity to let the
>> kids take charge a bit, or do events/encourage others to big-up the
>> child-led aspects. Easier said than done, but this collective was not
>> set
>> > up by kids, it was set up by concerned adults.
>> >
>> > Also we still havent had the discussion what do we mean by 'radical'.
>> im
>> sure most of us that have been involved are on the same levels, but we
>> still need to clarify this. Would the word 'autonomous' be better to use
>> instead?
>> >
>> > At the moment there are more adults involved in the collecitve than
>> kids,
>> > and most of those kids are under the ages of 4 (i think), and a third
>> are
>> > 2 or under. obviously a family could get involed with older kids but
>> at
>> the moment, its not gonna be easy to faciliatate a kids collecitve with
>> the kids we have coming at the moment!!
>> >
>> > Can we not have a name for us adults as a collective, and then in the
>> future when we get to the stage of facilitating the kids in what they
>> want
>> > to do, they can set up their own kids' collective. we cant set up a
>> kids
>> collecitve for them! Or not have a kids' colelctive separate at all, but
>> have an adults and kids collecitve combined: so just as we are now, but
>> with way more child-led stuff within it?
>> >
>> > If so, then the name might have to be something longwinded like: the
>> London Autonomous Collective for Supporting Parents and Kids
>> (LACSPK)
>> > or
>> > the London Collective for Radical Adults and Kids (LCRAK) or just the
>> Collecitve for Radical Adults and Kids (CRAK) or
>> > Autonomy for Parents and Kids Collective (APKC)
>> >
>> > OR just have a one word name such as: RadiKids- a London collecitive
>> for
>> radical kids and adults. Or, Kids Autonomy Now! (KAN!)
>> >
>> > OR for ease, what about:
>> > London Radical Collective for Kids
>> >
>> > Ok, will let you get back to all your busy lives now and sign out
>> before
>> your brains burst
>> >
>> > x
>> >
>> >> Thought I'd get in there before the 28th deadline to say I like the
>> name
>> >> "London Radical Kids Collective".  I also think it might imply
>> that
>> we
>> >> are a "kids' collective", and that we are all kids and this is our
>> radical
>> >> collective!  Maybe not, but I like the fact that it sounds like
>> we're not
>> >> just a group of adults and think it's something we should start
>> putting
>> into practice a bit more.  I suppose realistically it would be very
>> different asking for Molly's opinion on some issue from what we might
>> get
>> >> out of Kayden, but I do think we should think seriously about
>> modelling
>> some of the things that we mention in the fantastic group statement
>> about
>> >> involving kids in activism.  Hmmm, just an idea but not very well
>> thought
>> >> through yet!
>> >>  
>> >> Sorry for the 2 separate emails. 
>> >>  
>> >> Peace and love
>> >>  
>> >> Jon
>> >>  
>> >>  
>> >> --- On Tue, 22/9/09, Anna Davies <annmaridav at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> From:
>> Anna Davies <annmaridav at hotmail.com>
>> >> Subject: [Radical_childcare] Minutes of Meeting 21st September 2009
>> To:
>> "radical childcare" <radical_childcare at lists.aktivix.org>
>> >> Date: Tuesday, 22 September, 2009, 4:39 PM
>> >> In Attendance:  Anna D, Una, Molly, Maggie, Gemma, Kayden, Emel,
>> Nihir
>> (Sorry about spelling!)
>> >>  
>> >>  
>> >> Climate Camp
>> >>  
>> >> The group discussed how the kids space went at climate camp.  It
>> was
>> decided to prompt everyone who was there to write a short report of
>> their
>> >> feelings about it, then we can amalgamate this into a larger
>> >> report/record
>> >> to feed back into the next gathering, to help organising the space in
>> the
>> >> future.
>> >>  
>> >> Here are a few of the conclusions we came to at the meeting.
>> >>  
>> >> Saturday was the most amazing day of the kids space, it was packed
>> out
>> with longer term campers and many local families visiting for the
>> day. 
>> >> There were lots of exciting workshops with good feedback, and even an
>> on-site Rabbit!
>> >> In General there was not enough support from the rest of the campers,
>> despite constantly trying to rally for help.  There was no mass day
>> of
>> action this year, which means there should have been ample amount of
>> people on site at any one time to help with the space. 
>> >> There was really good feedback from local residents of
>> Blackheath. 
>> One
>> >> parent stated she had brought her kids along to learn about Climate
>> Change
>> >> and they’d had a really good day.
>> >> Despite a sign put up in the space, some parents used the space as a
>> crèche and left children un attended.
>> >> The ‘kids toilets’ were too far away from the kids
>> space.
>> >> There should have been early lunch provision for kids, as the lunch
>> queues
>> >> were incredibly long at all the kitchens.
>> >> There was no legal briefing from the camp, with regards to last years
>> camp, and it became apparent that incidents with the police, lack of
>> support etc were reasons why last years kids space organisers did not
>> get
>> >> involved with the camp this year.
>> >>  
>> >> Action Points’s
>> >>  
>> >> Gemma to email Nick regarding footage taken of the kids march.
>> >> Una to try and locate the missing circus equipment
>> >> Everyone feed into the list their thoughts and feelings about how the
>> space went
>> >>  
>> >>  
>> >> Setting up a blog, group admin and Group name
>> >>  
>> >> It was decided that setting up an online blog would be a good
>> idea. 
>> To
>> >> be a central point for people to post links, resources, reports,
>> photos
>> etc, and a place for people to find out about our collective, when we
>> start to produce leaflets etc, this can be linked on there.
>> >>  
>> >> This then rolled into a discussion about the name of our group, and
>> the
>> fact that the ‘Radical Childcare Collective’ was always
>> intended as
>> a
>> >> temporary name. 
>> >>  
>> >> It was decided that it is quite important to drop or replace the word
>> ‘childcare’ from this title, for two reasons. Firstly the
>> word in
>> itself is a debated term.  And secondly it does not represent the
>> umbrella of areas the group does, or may wish to be involved with in
>> the
>> >> future.  We don’t ‘provide childcare’ and this
>> may be suggested by
>> >> retaining the word.
>> >>  
>> >> A new suggestion was discussed.  LONDON RADICAL KIDS COLLECTIVE
>>  
>> >> We want to open this up for discussion before a decision is made so
>> welcome new suggestions to the list please! 
>> >>  
>> >> We need to confirm the name in order to set up the blog change the
>> name of
>> >> the list, produce information etc so we will give the discussion til
>> say
>> >> the 28th of this month, then take it from there.
>> >>  
>> >> Action Points:
>> >>  
>> >> Anna to put out new thread to the list for name discussion, along
>> with the
>> >> group statement.
>> >> Anna to set up blog once this is decided
>> >> Anna to check email account and admin list until the next meeting
>>  
>> >>  
>> >> Next meeting
>> >>  
>> >> The group felt a meeting to discuss the direction of the group and
>> set
>> some short term and long term goals would be good.  And we should try
>> and
>> >> build for this meeting but networking with other groups and possibly
>> leafleting relevant events (only possible when all of number 2 is
>> achieved!)
>> >> Una will facilitate the next meeting, arrange the location etc and
>> send
>> out reminders.
>> >>  
>> >> Action Points:
>> >>  
>> >> Una to create a ‘doodle’ and post to the list to find
>> the best time
>> for the next meeting.
>> >>  
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