[SSC] SSC Digest, Vol 9, Issue 6
Amsler, Sarah
S.S.AMSLER at aston.ac.uk
Mon Sep 12 22:23:59 UTC 2011
Joss, many thanks - and to everyone for their comments already.
I'm so disappointed I wasn't there for this meeting! In any case.
First, I am happy to work with Sara Motta and others interested on the Quality and Peer Review committee. We've discussed it briefly already and will prepare a dicsussion paper for the next meeting. I suspect we'll do this in some collaboration with Joyce's Curriculum group as well.
I am entirely in agreement about the shift from the term 'academic' to the word 'scholar' and am pleased this discussion has taken place. We will need to continue discussing what we mean (and what is meant) by this as well, of course, as it has its own problematics and possibilities. But I think it better expresses the ethos of scholarship as a critial activity that we are attempting to develop, and reduces some of the tension that I personally often feel, but have not always felt, between scholarship and academic work (as in certain conditions these seem to be incompatible or contradictory practices). And it is, or has the potential to be, inclusive of non-academic and academic scholars -- or to make these divisions appear arbitrary.
I also think Sandie made some useful points about why we should not necessarily abandon the language of 'student and teacher'. Interesting, as in terms of working to the roots, this seemingly small debate raises some very big questions about how and why we name people who work to know the world in particular ways, and indeed, what these names are defined against. Excellent stuff.
Incidentally, I will be going up to spend some time with people organising the Free University of Liverpool (http://thefreeuniversityofliverpool.wordpress.com/) for the next two weekends, and I imagine many of the discussions there will be of interest for us collectively. I should be able to share ahead of our next meeting.
Look forward to seeing everyone in October.
Best,
Sarah
Dr Sarah S Amsler
Lecturer in Sociology
Aston University
Birmingham, B4 7ET, UK
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1. Notes from our meeting on 10th October 2011 (Joss Winn)
2. Re: Notes from our meeting on 10th October 2011 (Richard Hall)
3. Re: Notes from our meeting on 10th October 2011 (Joss Winn)
4. Re: Notes from our meeting on 10th October 2011 (Terry Wassall)
5. Re: Notes from our meeting on 10th October 2011
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:14:12 +0100
From: Joss Winn <joss at josswinn.org>
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Subject: [SSC] Notes from our meeting on 10th October 2011
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Here are my (terse) notes from Saturday's meeting.
http://socialsciencecentre.org.uk/2011/09/notes-from-our-meeting-on-10th-october-2011/
Attendees are encouraged to check the notes for accuracy and respond
here or on the website with amendments.
Please note that while there is much to discuss from these notes as a
group, we have also made a proposal to amend the constitution to
change from using the word 'academic' to use the word 'scholar'. It
was felt at the meeting, after some discussion, that this was a more
appropriate term for describing both teachers and students at the SSC.
Please respond to this by September 19th (7 days). Thank you.
Also, please note that working groups were set up at this meeting and
we encourage SSC members to contact the people named in the meeting
notes if you are interested in contributing to a working group.
Best wishes,
Joss
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:17:58 +0100
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Great stuff - lots covered, and lots of energy generated. I'm especially
heartened by breadth of what was covered and the numbers who are
subscribed etc..
Scholar is an interesting term, with scholarship as a
historical/dialectical critique. I like it. I guess that this might need
connecting to the values we develop and the ways that we communicate the
curriculum, so it is seen to be inclusive.
In solidarity.
R.
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Here are my (terse) notes from Saturday's meeting.
http://socialsciencecentre.org.uk/2011/09/notes-from-our-meeting-on-10th
-october-2011/
Attendees are encouraged to check the notes for accuracy and respond
here or on the website with amendments.
Please note that while there is much to discuss from these notes as a
group, we have also made a proposal to amend the constitution to
change from using the word 'academic' to use the word 'scholar'. It
was felt at the meeting, after some discussion, that this was a more
appropriate term for describing both teachers and students at the SSC.
Please respond to this by September 19th (7 days). Thank you.
Also, please note that working groups were set up at this meeting and
we encourage SSC members to contact the people named in the meeting
notes if you are interested in contributing to a working group.
Best wishes,
Joss
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:23:59 +0100
From: Joss Winn <joss at josswinn.org>
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Subject: Re: [SSC] Notes from our meeting on 10th October 2011
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Yes, I think it was felt that 'scholar' was more inclusive than 'academic' or the other word we discussed, 'intellectual'. Academic is a professional term, while there are many more people who would consider themselves 'intellectuals' and I guess, a minority of academics who would not call themselves 'intellectuals', but all people teaching and learning in higher education could rightfully call themselves 'scholars'.
Joss
On 12 Sep 2011, at 09:17, Richard Hall wrote:
> Great stuff - lots covered, and lots of energy generated. I'm especially
> heartened by breadth of what was covered and the numbers who are
> subscribed etc..
>
> Scholar is an interesting term, with scholarship as a
> historical/dialectical critique. I like it. I guess that this might need
> connecting to the values we develop and the ways that we communicate the
> curriculum, so it is seen to be inclusive.
>
> In solidarity.
>
> R.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ssc-bounces at lists.aktivix.org
> [mailto:ssc-bounces at lists.aktivix.org] On Behalf Of Joss Winn
> Sent: 12 September 2011 07:14
> To: ssc at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: [SSC] Notes from our meeting on 10th October 2011
>
> Here are my (terse) notes from Saturday's meeting.
>
> http://socialsciencecentre.org.uk/2011/09/notes-from-our-meeting-on-10th
> -october-2011/
>
> Attendees are encouraged to check the notes for accuracy and respond
> here or on the website with amendments.
>
> Please note that while there is much to discuss from these notes as a
> group, we have also made a proposal to amend the constitution to
> change from using the word 'academic' to use the word 'scholar'. It
> was felt at the meeting, after some discussion, that this was a more
> appropriate term for describing both teachers and students at the SSC.
> Please respond to this by September 19th (7 days). Thank you.
>
> Also, please note that working groups were set up at this meeting and
> we encourage SSC members to contact the people named in the meeting
> notes if you are interested in contributing to a working group.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Joss
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:31:42 +0100
From: Terry Wassall <T.Wassall at leeds.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: [SSC] Notes from our meeting on 10th October 2011
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Belated apologies for not being able to make the meeting. Reading Joss's note makes me even more dissappointed to miss it. I will not be able to come to weekday evening meetings but hope to make it to some Saturday meetings.
I think the use of scholar is particularly appropriate. In my School we have recently won a struggle to distinguish between 'discovery' research (i.e. REF research) and 'scholarship' research. The practical significance of this is that in the past study leave was not available for scholarship research in my School and there was no allowance for it in Teaching Fellows' workloads. There is no doubt that the growing recognition of the importance of curriculum amd module development, teaching and the student experience has helped enormously to win this position. It is also closer to what students do and so helps rethink the relationship between teaching and learning and teacher and learner - we start with a process of collaborative scholarship and move towards a process of collaborative research. I guess there is nothing much new here for student as producer!
Best wishes
Terry
Dr. Terry Wassall
Principal Teaching Fellow
School of Sociology and Social Policy
University of Leeds
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Yes, I think it was felt that 'scholar' was more inclusive than 'academic' or the other word we discussed, 'intellectual'. Academic is a professional term, while there are many more people who would consider themselves 'intellectuals' and I guess, a minority of academics who would not call themselves 'intellectuals', but all people teaching and learning in higher education could rightfully call themselves 'scholars'.
Joss
On 12 Sep 2011, at 09:17, Richard Hall wrote:
> Great stuff - lots covered, and lots of energy generated. I'm especially
> heartened by breadth of what was covered and the numbers who are
> subscribed etc..
>
> Scholar is an interesting term, with scholarship as a
> historical/dialectical critique. I like it. I guess that this might need
> connecting to the values we develop and the ways that we communicate the
> curriculum, so it is seen to be inclusive.
>
> In solidarity.
>
> R.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ssc-bounces at lists.aktivix.org
> [mailto:ssc-bounces at lists.aktivix.org] On Behalf Of Joss Winn
> Sent: 12 September 2011 07:14
> To: ssc at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: [SSC] Notes from our meeting on 10th October 2011
>
> Here are my (terse) notes from Saturday's meeting.
>
> http://socialsciencecentre.org.uk/2011/09/notes-from-our-meeting-on-10th
> -october-2011/
>
> Attendees are encouraged to check the notes for accuracy and respond
> here or on the website with amendments.
>
> Please note that while there is much to discuss from these notes as a
> group, we have also made a proposal to amend the constitution to
> change from using the word 'academic' to use the word 'scholar'. It
> was felt at the meeting, after some discussion, that this was a more
> appropriate term for describing both teachers and students at the SSC.
> Please respond to this by September 19th (7 days). Thank you.
>
> Also, please note that working groups were set up at this meeting and
> we encourage SSC members to contact the people named in the meeting
> notes if you are interested in contributing to a working group.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Joss
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:22:14 +0000
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I think the word 'scholar' is very useful, but our discussion did reinforce the suggestion that traditional terms 'teacher' and 'student' remain useful in front line interactions with potential recruits as they're familiar words.
Their use also opens up the discussion afresh each time, giving us the chance to reinforce the ethos we're attempting to develop. Is that fair?
It was indeed an energising day - the best CPPD I've done in ages!
Sandie
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Great stuff - lots covered, and lots of energy generated. I'm especially
heartened by breadth of what was covered and the numbers who are
subscribed etc..
Scholar is an interesting term, with scholarship as a
historical/dialectical critique. I like it. I guess that this might need
connecting to the values we develop and the ways that we communicate the
curriculum, so it is seen to be inclusive.
In solidarity.
R.
-----Original Message-----
From: ssc-bounces at lists.aktivix.org
[mailto:ssc-bounces at lists.aktivix.org] On Behalf Of Joss Winn
Sent: 12 September 2011 07:14
To: ssc at lists.aktivix.org
Subject: [SSC] Notes from our meeting on 10th October 2011
Here are my (terse) notes from Saturday's meeting.
http://socialsciencecentre.org.uk/2011/09/notes-from-our-meeting-on-10th
-october-2011/
Attendees are encouraged to check the notes for accuracy and respond
here or on the website with amendments.
Please note that while there is much to discuss from these notes as a
group, we have also made a proposal to amend the constitution to
change from using the word 'academic' to use the word 'scholar'. It
was felt at the meeting, after some discussion, that this was a more
appropriate term for describing both teachers and students at the SSC.
Please respond to this by September 19th (7 days). Thank you.
Also, please note that working groups were set up at this meeting and
we encourage SSC members to contact the people named in the meeting
notes if you are interested in contributing to a working group.
Best wishes,
Joss
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