[SSC] SSC Digest, Vol 9, Issue 20
Amsler, Sarah
S.S.AMSLER at aston.ac.uk
Mon Sep 26 12:06:54 UTC 2011
Interestingly, Sara Motta and I were just talking about doing something broadly along these lines this morning. It seems necessary at the moment. Very interesting that it is appearing on different registers. What if we have sharing from the work in Tunis and the University Project, if anyone can go to the latter, at the SSC meeting to discuss whether/how we might develop this?
Best,
Sarah
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1. Autonomous Education and the New Cartography (Michael Neary)
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Dear All,
I think a mapping project is a good idea.
I was at the Edu-factory event in Barcelona where the shape and form of the activity described by Andre was set up. I am going to be working directly with this group so can fill in to all at an appropriate point. Edu-factory refers to this process as 'Autonomous Education and the New Cartography'. I am going to Tunis at the end of this week, were European and North African activists and academics are doing further work on this. The slogan is ' A New Europe and New European University formed by struggle not politicians'
Bw,
Mike
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> To: S.S.AMSLER at aston.ac.uk; ssc at lists.aktivix.org
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:32:13 +0100
> Subject: Re: [SSC] SSC Digest, Vol 9, Issue 17
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> Hi all,
>
> Not had time to read the articles at the links Sarah provided yet, but am definitely interested in some kind of symposium/mapping event for similar projects. As I've mentioned on the list before, the Really Open University is about to open a space for six months to host a variety of events and hopefully walk the line between a social centre and a more dedicated space like the SSC. We could also offer that space as a host venue perhaps.
>
> I have recently been put in contact with a PhD student and Leicester Uni who is part of the edu-factory collective and is doing some kind of pan-European mapping along the same lines. I have invited him to speak in Leeds about his work, date tbc.
>
> Best,
> Andre
>
>
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> Many thanks to David and Richard.
>
> I've seen the University Project and am unfortunately already committed, but agree that this sort of thing is already in motion and it would be really useful to have some sense of what happens there. Is anyone from the SSC going?
>
> I entirely agree with Richard -- caution about what seems to be really little and/or flawed analysis, both in the 'list' and in the critique of 'the list'. I thought in that sense it would make a good talking point.
>
> Perhaps we can talk about a mapping/symposium/whatever at the next meeting?
>
> S
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> 1. Maps and politics of 'radical education projects' (Amsler, Sarah)
> 2. Re: Maps and politics of 'radical education projects'
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> 3. Re: Maps and politics of 'radical education projects'
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> From: "Amsler, Sarah" <S.S.AMSLER at aston.ac.uk>
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> Dear all,
>
> I came across the two texts below and would be interested in discussing them with anyone also interested. I think they offer a way into some pressing questions about major concepts (freeness and freedom, radicalism, anarchistic politics, etc.) that are being both materialised in practice and called into question. It might be an interesting exercise, for example, to try to formulate responses to some of the (perhaps rhetorically framed) questions in the second.
>
> Sociological Imagination's working list of 'radical education projects' in the UK:
> http://sociologicalimagination.org/a-work-in-progress
>
> Andrew Taggart's critical questioning of the above forms, as particularly read:
> http://andrewjtaggart.com/2011/09/19/on-the-other-side-of-radical-educ
> ation-lies-wisdom-an-exhortation-or-on-the-question-whether-really-fre
> e-is-really-good/
>
> After spending a second weekend working with the people of the Free University of Liverpool (to whom I will send a copy of this message), I am clearer that there is certainly a moment of emergence with these different projects, which have been developing for a little (or long) while, all coming into some serious material form but often autonomously from each other. I'd like to think about the place of this in history, the context of this historical moment and the forms of politics and pedagogies being developed -- and whether or not they really are all characterised by a 'shared ethos of anarchism' (an argument which I do not entirely agree with) it seems like a wider conversation to have on the radar. I have had some thoughts about at some point in the reasonably near future bringing people involved in these different projects/spaces together to share experiences and imaginaries?
>
> Best,
> Sarah
>
> Dr Sarah S Amsler
> Lecturer in Sociology
> Aston University
> Birmingham, B4 7ET, UK
> +44 (0) 121 204 3072
> s.s.amsler at aston.ac.uk
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> Campaign for the Public University: http://publicuniversity.org.uk
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> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:28:48 +0100
> From: David Young <lostmoya at gmail.com>
> To: "Amsler, Sarah" <S.S.AMSLER at aston.ac.uk>, "ssc at lists.aktivix.org"
> <ssc at lists.aktivix.org>
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> Dear Sarah,
>
> Thanks for sharing these texts and your thoughts around this central issue.
>
> On the idea of bringing people together, I think this is an excellent suggestion, and is in fact what one such "alternative education" project is attempting to do in London next month. Dougald Hine's "University Project"
> is holding a "Universities Past and Future" event at the Hub in Westminster from 14th - 16th October. More here:
>
> http://univproject.pbworks.com/w/page/45692087/The%20University%20Proj
> ect
>
> That said, it may be that we, the SSC, consider hosting a similar event to discuss, as you suggest, the politics and pedagogies of forms of alternative education.
>
> Thanks,
> David.
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Amsler, Sarah <S.S.AMSLER at aston.ac.uk>wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I came across the two texts below and would be interested in
> > discussing them with anyone also interested. I think they offer a
> > way into some pressing questions about major concepts (freeness and
> > freedom, radicalism, anarchistic politics, etc.) that are being both
> > materialised in practice and called into question. It might be an
> > interesting exercise, for example, to try to formulate responses to
> > some of the (perhaps rhetorically framed) questions in the second.
> >
> > Sociological Imagination's working list of 'radical education
> > projects' in the UK:
> > http://sociologicalimagination.org/a-work-in-progress
> >
> > Andrew Taggart's critical questioning of the above forms, as
> > particularly
> > read:
> >
> > http://andrewjtaggart.com/2011/09/19/on-the-other-side-of-radical-ed
> > uc
> > ation-lies-wisdom-an-exhortation-or-on-the-question-whether-really-f
> > re
> > e-is-really-good/
> >
> > After spending a second weekend working with the people of the Free
> > University of Liverpool (to whom I will send a copy of this
> > message), I am clearer that there is certainly a moment of emergence
> > with these different projects, which have been developing for a
> > little (or long) while, all coming into some serious material form
> > but often autonomously from each other. I'd like to think about the
> > place of this in history, the context of this historical moment and
> > the forms of politics and pedagogies being developed -- and whether
> > or not they really are all characterised by a 'shared ethos of
> > anarchism' (an argument which I do not entirely agree with) it seems
> > like a wider conversation to have on the radar. I have had some
> > thoughts about at some point in the reasonably near future bringing
> > people involved in these different projects/spaces together to share experiences and imaginaries?
> >
> > Best,
> > Sarah
> >
> > Dr Sarah S Amsler
> > Lecturer in Sociology
> > Aston University
> > Birmingham, B4 7ET, UK
> > +44 (0) 121 204 3072
> > s.s.amsler at aston.ac.uk
> >
> > Campaign for the Public University: http://publicuniversity.org.uk
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/ssc
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> A note of caution - Taggart has also written for New Public Thinkers at:
> http://newpublicthinkers.org/?p=35 I think that this was a weak assessment of the left, based on traditional/orthodox narratives of the state and capital. This lack of an engagement in the history/critique of the left/radical leftist politics is asserted again in the link Sarah posts below, which at a trivial level basis its criticism on freedom, based on the use of "free" (as in monetary value) in the title of these "anarchist" schools. In part, this may be the case, but in part it is a reaction to Gove's definition of free schools.
>
>
>
> The list is interesting. The Third University, for example, aims to deliver #coffeelols [see me in the pub for an explanation] and to be the third best university in Leicester. Maybe it's radical. Maybe it is a piss-take. Maybe it is an outlet for some people in Leicester. Maybe it is educational. Maybe it is what you want it to be. Is it really anarchist? Maybe it needs to be kettled first, so we find out.
>
>
>
> I like David's suggestion of a symposium - perhaps a pulling together of these radical projects/forms.
>
>
>
> In solidarity.
>
>
>
> R.
>
>
>
> From: ssc-bounces at lists.aktivix.org
> [mailto:ssc-bounces at lists.aktivix.org] On Behalf Of David Young
> Sent: 26 September 2011 07:29
> To: Amsler, Sarah; ssc at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [SSC] Maps and politics of 'radical education projects'
>
>
>
> Dear Sarah,
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing these texts and your thoughts around this central issue.
>
>
>
> On the idea of bringing people together, I think this is an excellent suggestion, and is in fact what one such "alternative education" project is attempting to do in London next month. Dougald Hine's "University Project" is holding a "Universities Past and Future" event at the Hub in Westminster from 14th - 16th October. More here:
>
>
>
> http://univproject.pbworks.com/w/page/45692087/The%20University%20Proj
> ec
> t
>
>
>
> That said, it may be that we, the SSC, consider hosting a similar event to discuss, as you suggest, the politics and pedagogies of forms of alternative education.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> David.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Amsler, Sarah
> <S.S.AMSLER at aston.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I came across the two texts below and would be interested in discussing them with anyone also interested. I think they offer a way into some pressing questions about major concepts (freeness and freedom, radicalism, anarchistic politics, etc.) that are being both materialised in practice and called into question. It might be an interesting exercise, for example, to try to formulate responses to some of the (perhaps rhetorically framed) questions in the second.
>
> Sociological Imagination's working list of 'radical education projects'
> in the UK:
> http://sociologicalimagination.org/a-work-in-progress
>
> Andrew Taggart's critical questioning of the above forms, as particularly read:
> http://andrewjtaggart.com/2011/09/19/on-the-other-side-of-radical-educ
> at
> ion-lies-wisdom-an-exhortation-or-on-the-question-whether-really-free-
> is
> -really-good/
>
> After spending a second weekend working with the people of the Free University of Liverpool (to whom I will send a copy of this message), I am clearer that there is certainly a moment of emergence with these different projects, which have been developing for a little (or long) while, all coming into some serious material form but often autonomously from each other. I'd like to think about the place of this in history, the context of this historical moment and the forms of politics and pedagogies being developed -- and whether or not they really are all characterised by a 'shared ethos of anarchism' (an argument which I do not entirely agree with) it seems like a wider conversation to have on the radar. I have had some thoughts about at some point in the reasonably near future bringing people involved in these different projects/spaces together to share experiences and imaginaries?
>
> Best,
> Sarah
>
> Dr Sarah S Amsler
> Lecturer in Sociology
> Aston University
> Birmingham, B4 7ET, UK
> +44 (0) 121 204 3072 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%20121%20204%203072>
> s.s.amsler at aston.ac.uk
>
> Campaign for the Public University: http://publicuniversity.org.uk
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