[Ssf] earth quake..

[Dan]

Er... no, the Democracy Cafe is the Democracy Cafe.  Ever heard of 
consensus or asking, Mozaz?  If you wanna organise a meeting, go ahead: 
don't hijack the democracy cafe!

Expose the real reasons why this happened?  Er... I really don't know 
what to say to this.  Hopeful as I am that Sheffield Social Forum might 
do some good things this year, stopping Earthquakes ain't one of em...

... oh, hang on, what did your last post say?  That the Quake was Mother 
Earth crying out for help?

So: Mother Earth in pain - we can save her by environmental and 
political campaigning... no more natural disasters?  You do know that 
tectonic plates are moving all the time, yes?  There's some discussion 
to be had about the measly amount of aid we spend, the lack of 
infrastructure, the fact that a three hour warning wasn't given because 
it might affect the tourist trade if it turned out to be false... but do 
we need to get into Mother Earth being in pain?

Mozaz: I'm not trying to be insulting here, but really - I know you're 
not a fan of religion at the best of times, so what the hell are you 
talking about now?  It's the same kind of reasoning as the response 
pasted below after 9/11 - entirely a religious one. 

[from http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0920-02.htm]

"With the country united in mourning before the fallen towers, the 
preacher spattered his words across the devastated landscape. In a 
moment of crisis, the evangelist linked theological arms with the enemy.

"Before a television congregation, Jerry Falwell offered up his credo: 
''I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the 
feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make 
that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way - 
all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in 
their face and say, `You helped this happen.'''

"His henchman, Pat Robertson, seconded the motion, ''Well, I totally 
concur.''

"Their Rolodex of villains had made, they said, God Almighty remove his 
curtain of protection. Remove it, presumably, from the thousands of 
Americans drinking their morning coffee in the twin towers and turning 
on their computers in the Pentagon.

"What better spokesman for the Taliban? Our fundamentalists agree with 
theirs. God is on their side. America's sins are to blame..."


worldwarfree at riseup.net wrote:

>people have been speaking and whatever the reasons lets not forget the political
>in all of this.. some of us are planning some events.. first stage seems to be a
>pre-meeting next tuseday from 6pm onwards (the democracey cafe) to get organised
>a public meeting.. this will happen at the blue moon.. can i also ask to be
>olaced on the agenda of the next sheffield social forum meeting on the 6th.. we
>must use our RAGE at the deaths to a positive and expose the real reasons as to
>why this happened..
>
>mozaz
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