[Ssf] Fallujah: murder televised on TV

Fri Nov 12 22:15:37 GMT 2004

>"ok this is the kind of talk I like to hear. Sooner or later we will have 
>to
>take it off list however."

I am only testing the water we are probably a long way off doing direct 
action at this point.

>"I agree with Dan's suggestion about getting involved at one of the events
>during Islam Awareness"

yup, (dan - 'cos of the state of my memory you will need to remind me abit 
closer to the time)

Now that the game is up, (the british army are just as cruel as thier US 
counterparts) we don't need to travel to menwith hill or any other exotic 
location and of course any direct action should not take away from other 
local commitments.  Direct action does tend to be slightly more 'trendy' but 
the local community building activities are just as important if not more 
so.

for now
cuthbert

>From: "Danny" <forum_mail at monkeynews.net>
>To: <Ssf at lists.aktivix.org>, 
><sheffield-anti-war-coalition at yahoogroups.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [Ssf] Fallujah: murder televised on TV
>Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:52:36 -0000
>
>Hi Cuthbert,
>ok this is the kind of talk I like to hear. Sooner or later we will have to
>take it off list however.
>I agree with Dan's suggestion about getting involved at one of the events
>during Islam Awareness
>Week. If we're talking direct action, then there are two things we should
>bear in mind, especially
>with regard to how to engage in some kind of effective tactics:
>
>1) The realpolitik of Peak Oil.
>and
>2) The umbilical cord that ties the UK to the US.
>
>There are some options for 1) that can be done locally (subvertisement for
>example) tackling
>2) requires we look seriously at working with other groups nationally (I'm
>thinking Wombles,
>CND, rather than the "politicool" sellouts).
>
>People are probably sick of endless chants of 'no war', so we need to go to
>the roots.
>
>Comments?
>
>Danny.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "noone noone" <machinevman at hotmail.com>
>To: <Ssf at lists.aktivix.org>;
><sheffield-anti-war-coalition at yahoogroups.co.uk>; <grawn at lists.riseup.net>
>Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 5:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ssf] Fallujah: murder televised on TV
>
>
> >   Fallujah is a turning point for the occupation, Vietnam did not 
>suddenly
> > "start" it crept up on the US.  Kennedy took the US into Vietnam and it
> > started well with very relativly few casualties but turned into the most
> > financially expensive war of all time.  Fallujah has triggered uprisings
>in
> > kirkuk and mosul - these are areas with a large proportion of kurds who
> > apparently "supported" the war.  Day by day US and british troops are
>being
> > dragged further and further into Iraq, the iraqi army and police are
>almost
> > non-exsistant with only about 20 000 fully effective people in their
>ranks.
> > The US is training them so fast that they are being killed easier than
>ever
> > and out of the 20 000 or so fully effective iraqi soldiors over a third 
>of
> > them are being used in the fallujah operation.
> >
> >   The political situation in Iraq is dire, the prime ministers relatives
>are
> > being targetted, the grand ayatolla ali cistani is still popular but 
>even
>he
> > as a moderate has requested the americans leave, the so called 
>'terrorist'
> > zaquawi is an irrelevence and as far as i am concerned may not even
>exsist.
> > He may have a high profile in the US or Europe but interveiw after
>interveiw
> > with the iraqi resistance has shown that the vast majority of the
>resistance
> > are not 'foreign fighters' or al quaeda associates, they are reasonable
> > people trying to defend their country from turning into the new saudi
> > arabia.
> >
> >   I have no interest into going to another public meeting with the usual
> > labour party pacifist, SWP demagogue and a representative from the
> > palestinian solidarity campaign.  Vigils are ok but in the end all they 
>do
> > is ease empire guilt and conceinces, nowadays they don't even get
>publicity.
> >   The only real option is direct action which has unfortunatly been
> > effectivly condemned by the stop the war coalition, when i tabled a
> > resolution saying that the stop the war coalition should support direct
> > action unfortunatly it was blocked by the so called "marxists" of the 
>SWP
> > and the rest.  These are the people that preach the russian revolution 
>but
> > when it comes to actually doing somthing that isnt preaching within 
>their
> > little circles the room goes suspiciously silent.  Without getting into
>the
> > deep philosophical debate i believe that it was marx that said something
> > along the lines of: "the time has gone for interpreting the world, it is
>our
> > task to change it", i find it ironic that the so called 'class worriors'
>end
> > up putting all their hopes into the basket of rebbelling labour MP's who
> > lets face it are (without exception) part of the dominant class and have
> > been attacking our brothers and sisters ever since their election in 
>1997.
> >
> >   We are now in a situation where direct action is needed now to prevent
> > further loss of life, it is time to put our trust in the iraqi people, 
>the
> > middle east is not our territory to impose our values on and the iraq 
>war
>is
> > not ours to fight.  It is an essentially racist right wing argument to
>argue
> > that the iraqis are not capable to look after themselves and if left to
> > themselve this government has claimed that the iraqis will not resist 
>the
> > reactionairy forces but instead the occupying power is "letting the
> > terrorists take over".  It is time to stop this government from messing
> > around in someone elses back yard...
> >
> >   The reason for this email is to say that i dont want another walk 
>around
> > the city centre i want to say that in principle i am wanting and willing
>to
> > carryout direct action.  I ask: Is the sence of feeling strong enough 
>for
> > others to take this step, if it is just say so and we can work out the
> > practicalities later, if it isnt then just forget i ever said 
>anything...
> >
> >
> > yours faithfully
> > cuthbert
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Dan <dan at aktivix.org>
> > >To: dave thompson <mpower0 at yahoo.com>, Ssf at lists.aktivix.org
> > >Subject: Re: [Ssf] Fallujah: murder televised on TV
> > >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:05:28 +0000
> > >
> > >Have you seen what else is going on around Iraq? -
> > >
> > >US-led troops find three Iraqi contractors and an Iraqi taxi-driver in
> > >Falluja believed to be held as hostages
> > >
> > >At least 17 people are killed in a car bomb in a busy Baghdad shopping
>area
> > >
> > >Masked insurgents in northern Mosul attack several police stations and
>loot
> > >weapons and ammunition, before setting at least two of them on fire. 
>The
> > >attacks prompt US strikes against suspected rebel targets
> > >
> > >Kirkuk Governor Abdulrahman Mustafa escapes an assassination attempt in
>the
> > >northern city, but several people are injured in the bomb attack on his
> > >convoy.
> > >
> > >Can we call it a 'descent into chaos' yet? Nah! As Laura Bush says, "I
> > >truly believe that Iraq is becoming a democracy." Hey, perhaps if we 
>all
> > >believe enough! And anyone that doesn't believe, well... we can just
>shoot
> > >the fuckers!
> > >
> > >Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >dave thompson wrote:
> > >
> > >>Hello,
> > >>I have just witnessed a murder on tv and on Sky news
> > >>at least, the journalist condoning the murder..
> > >>
> > >>dt
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>During the battle for Fallujah, they showed a marine
> > >>saying, "I've just injured one, he's between the two
> > >>buildings". At that moment another marine walks over
> > >>to the gap between the two houses, he then climbs on a
> > >>forty four gallon drum aims his gun at the injured
> > >>Iraqi and fires one shot.
> > >>
> > >>The Sky reporter: the veteran David Chater, whose
> > >>report incidentially did not include the caveat, that
> > >>it was 'compiled under U.S military restrictions' just
> > >>says something like: 'they cannot risk suicide bombers
> > >>blowing themselves up'
> > >>
> > >>I am writing to them for the transcript unless someone
> > >>on here knows exactly what he said.
> > >>
> > >>So there we have it, a major crime, a wounded man
> > >>executed and then endorsed by a British TV journalist
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>And they call it a war for civilisation...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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