A statement for Call Outs (was) [ssf] !7th Feb meet report

@mparo robin_amparo at tiscali.co.uk
Mon Feb 21 19:21:28 GMT 2005 

Hia, finally a statement, good enough, to be circulated, discussed and
approved in its final version by this time next week, that's March the 1st.
There was also talk of a room being booked or half-booked but this would
need to be confirmed. Where are you, kind booker(s)?

As you will remember, the huddle would communicate through this list...
at least that's what i understood.
@mp


Chris Malins wrote:

> OK, having had what was a very good meeting last Thursday, I guess
> that its important that we keep the momentum going on the G8 issue,
> seeing as this seemed to generate the most enthusiasm. There was a
> decision agreed by the G8 huddle that we could set up a G8 planning
> meeting for the 2nd March, which is a Wednesday. Does someone want to
> see about booking a room for that somewhere?
> 
> Also, to get the ball rolling I'm going to throw out a suggested
> draft for the call out to the G8 in June, pending anything Josh has
> worked on. (Is he on this list / does anyone know his email?):
> 
> "On 16th-17th June, 2005, the G8 justice ministers will meet in 
> Sheffield. They will be discussing how to prosecute Bush's 'War on 
> Terror'. They are the justice of indefinite detention without
> judicial review, the type of justice that takes you abroad if the
> local laws won't allow torture, that at Guantanamo Bay treats
> American citizens one way and everyone else (including British
> citizens) in another.
> 
> They are the people who think that inspiring a lively sense of terror
> in their subjects makes ID cards ok, and that keeping out asylum
> seekers who are not quite oppressed enough is more important than
> social justice for their own people. And this will be the first round
> of our protestation to the G8 that another, better world can, should
> and will be possible if only they will let it.
> 
> And so the people of Sheffield are calling on the movement for action
> to be taken and alternatives to be presented to these people. We are
>  offering our support for any groups coming to Sheffield, suggesting
> the Sheffield Peace in the Park festival on 11th June as the start of
> a week of counter conference events, and offering the Sheffield
> Social Forum as a coordinating space for action."
> 
> Any thoughts welcome, don't worry about hurting my feelings, just
> know that if you stand against me now my retribution will be swift
> and merciless. Ahem, I think Dan's megalomania is rubbing off.
> Seriously, please kick this around and start some discussion on what
> we want this statement to say, lets have a view to releasing it by
> this time next week.
> 
> Chris
> 
> Dan wrote:
> 
>> Hia!
>> 
>> Here's my initial thoughts, along with a link to the WIKI page
>> where I've put the G8 notes -
>> 
>> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2005/02/305597.html
>> 
>> 
>> http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/SheffieldG7
>> 
>> On the announcements list - we should pass a new one by this list,
>>  then get it sent out.
>> 
>> Amp - wanna meet to get this done, or are you happy to draft one
>> for the list, for the collective's approval?
>> 
>> Good work, everyone!  The top nutters are coming to Sheffield in
>> June: the ones who use this kind of logic:
>> 
>> "Sovereignty entails obligations.  One is not to massacre your own
>>  people. Another is not to support terrorism in any way. If a 
>> government fails to meet these obligations, then it forfeits some
>> of the normal advantages of sovereignty, including the right to be
>> left alone inside your own territory. Other governments, including
>> the US, gain the right to intervene. In the case of terrorism this
>> can even lead to a right of preventive, or peremptory,
>> self-defence."
>> 
>> (And, of course, if we broaden our definition of terrorism, we get
>> to impose our imperialism, which is defined thus  - )
>> 
>> "What is needed then is a new kind of imperialism, one acceptable
>> to a world of human rights and cosmopolitan values. We can already
>> discern its outline: an imperialism which, like all imperialism,
>> aims to bring order and organisation but which rests today on the
>> voluntary principle." )
>> 
>> [New Labour's Robert Cooper - Tony Blair's 'policy guru' and senior
>>  diplomat.]
>> 
>> (i.e. 'yes! yes! colonise us! We're poor and we're stupid and we
>> need the first world to tell us what to do, coz you're so clever
>> and brave and true and free!')
>> 
>> I'm curious about that one: "Sovereignty entails obligations.  One
>> is not to massacre your own people."
>> 
>> That's from Richard Haass - was Powell's director of policy in
>> 2002. What about taking all the money from most of your poor people
>> to subsidise the rich and pay for a war, and then get all those
>> poor people to get drafted?  Yeah, I'm sure that's fine.
>> 
>> How - no, really, *how*, do these f*ckers get away with this?  I 
>> concur once again with CM - "Bunch of sticking capitalist 
>> twattymuffins. Lets blow shit up."
>> 
>> Ah ha!  That should *surely* be enough for both of us to get put
>> under house arrest, no?  I'm sure it's more evidence than most
>> others have attached to them!
>> 
>> peace - no, really! - peace. Peace, but anger.
>> 
>> Dan ----
>> 
>> @mparo wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks to you, Alice, and particularly to the ones that did the
>>> washing up after the meeting and all the cooking. Fan-tas-tically
>>> cool, yes. What were the opinions, if already known, about "too
>>> structured or too chaotic"?
>>> 
>>> R&A
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alice Collins wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone, Loads of thanks to everyone who came; talked;
>>>> listened; organised themselves; cooked food; ate it ; shifted
>>>> tables; washed up; drank beer afterwards. I think the Big Open
>>>> Meeting was exciting. Love alice.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan" <dan at aktivix.org> To: 
>>>> <Ssf at lists.aktivix.org> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 12:09
>>>> PM Subject: [Ssf] Ideas for 2005...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> So, yup, to follow on from the last e-mail, here's some
>>>>> ideas:
>>>>> 
>>>>> * A social: music, spoken word, film, art, light and people
>>>>> setting fire to sticks dipped in paraffin and spinning them
>>>>> round their heads.  Not been enough of this in recent times,
>>>>> for God's sake.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Issues: Indymedia want to raise money for the server appeal
>>>>> (can we help?) Peace in the Park - what's happening there?
>>>>> Are they doing a social fundraiser?
>>>>> 
>>>>> *SSF2005:  Yeah, maybe... but another thought - have a
>>>>> smaller event during the G8 Sheffield stuff, but speak to
>>>>> Peace in the Park people about possibly doing workshops /
>>>>> having a 'leftfield' tent(s) at peace in the park, in place
>>>>> of in indoor event.
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Organise a specific event on regeneration.  I keep on going
>>>>> on about this one and not doing anything about it... but it
>>>>> ties in to so many things: G8, food sovereignty, local vs
>>>>> global, local democratic control, giving the powers that be a
>>>>> chance to state their case, giving us leftie rock-throwers a
>>>>> chance to find out if they're human...
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Hungry for Justice and the launch of the Green Food Map -
>>>>> there's a post-conference plan for a Hungry for Justice
>>>>> website that'll have the transcripts from the conference
>>>>> (some of the stuff is FANTASTIC!  I should stick the doc on
>>>>> the WIKI...) along with resources on how to campaign, why
>>>>> it's such a political issue, how it ties local to global,
>>>>> etc... SSF could help mediate all this into a really good
>>>>> event, inviting Healthy Sheffield etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> * City Fair Trade status - a chance to get SSF, P&P, WDM,
>>>>> Christian Aid etc together to talk about this one campaign.
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Seeds for Change - offering them help to organise here.
>>>>> Has someone else already done this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> * A 'speak truth to power' workshop event: how to get what
>>>>> you want from the powers that be: what their limitations and
>>>>> uses are.
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Day trips!  Let's go to Manchester, see Merci, go to the
>>>>> new Dissent cafe / bookshop / space - which is ABSOLUTELY
>>>>> FANTASTIC! They also have an 'urban art exhibition'  -
>>>>> someone's gone around and got photos of all the fantastic
>>>>> graffiti, most of it beautiful and anti-corporate, and put it
>>>>> all on the wall.  But you can also tour around the place with
>>>>> a handy guide!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or to Hebden Bridge, or up to Leeds to meet the Leeds ARC
>>>>> folk, go to Maelstrom, whatever...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Er... that'll do for now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peace!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dan
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 07968 997861 0114 2412723
>>>>> 
>>>>> The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade
>>>>> you do not expect to sit.
>>>>> 
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