[ssf] !7th Feb meet report

Mon Feb 21 23:35:13 GMT 2005

Yes
DO IT
I was in Totnes last week at a meeting trying to mobilise for the G8
Scotland
Average interest BUT when i mentioned the Mini G8 Here in Sheffield there
was a great deal of interest, people wanted dates and further info, the
likelihood of lower security seemed to be a factor. If we put a call out to
all the Indimedia Centres i am sure many will come, if only to warm up for
Scotland.
Sheffjeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Malins" <chrismalins at gmail.com>
Cc: <Ssf at lists.aktivix.org>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [ssf] !7th Feb meet report

> OK, having had what was a very good meeting last Thursday, I guess that
> its important that we keep the momentum going on the G8 issue, seeing as
> this seemed to generate the most enthusiasm. There was a decision agreed
> by the G8 huddle that we could set up a G8 planning meeting for the 2nd
> March, which is a Wednesday. Does someone want to see about booking a
> room for that somewhere?
>
> Also, to get the ball rolling I'm going to throw out a suggested draft
> for the call out to the G8 in June, pending anything Josh has worked on.
> (Is he on this list / does anyone know his email?):
>
> "On 16th-17th June, 2005, the G8 justice ministers will meet in
> Sheffield. They will be discussing how to prosecute Bush's 'War on
> Terror'. They are the justice of indefinite detention without judicial
> review, the type of justice that takes you abroad if the local laws
> won't allow torture, that at Guantanamo Bay treats American citizens one
> way and everyone else (including British citizens) in another.
>
> They are the people who think that inspiring a lively sense of terror in
> their subjects makes ID cards ok, and that keeping out asylum seekers
> who are not quite oppressed enough is more important than social justice
> for their own people. And this will be the first round of our
> protestation to the G8 that another, better world can, should and will
> be possible if only they will let it.
>
> And so the people of Sheffield are calling on the movement for action to
> be taken and alternatives to be presented to these people. We are
> offering our support for any groups coming to Sheffield, suggesting the
> Sheffield Peace in the Park festival on 11th June as the start of a week
>   of counter conference events, and offering the Sheffield Social Forum
> as a coordinating space for action."
>
> Any thoughts welcome, don't worry about hurting my feelings, just know
> that if you stand against me now my retribution will be swift and
> merciless. Ahem, I think Dan's megalomania is rubbing off. Seriously,
> please kick this around and start some discussion on what we want this
> statement to say, lets have a view to releasing it by this time next week.
>
> Chris
>
> Dan wrote:
> > Hia!
> >
> > Here's my initial thoughts, along with a link to the WIKI page where
> > I've put the G8 notes -
> >
> > http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2005/02/305597.html
> >
> > http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/SheffieldG7
> >
> > On the announcements list - we should pass a new one by this list, then
> > get it sent out.
> >
> > Amp - wanna meet to get this done, or are you happy to draft one for the
> > list, for the collective's approval?
> >
> > Good work, everyone!  The top nutters are coming to Sheffield in June:
> > the ones who use this kind of logic:
> >
> > "Sovereignty entails obligations.  One is not to massacre your own
> > people. Another is not to support terrorism in any way. If a government
> > fails to meet these obligations, then it forfeits some of the normal
> > advantages of sovereignty, including the right to be left alone inside
> > your own territory. Other governments, including the US, gain the right
> > to intervene. In the case of terrorism this can even lead to a right of
> > preventive, or peremptory, self-defence."
> >
> > (And, of course, if we broaden our definition of terrorism, we get to
> > impose our imperialism, which is defined thus  - )
> >
> > "What is needed then is a new kind of imperialism, one acceptable to a
> > world of human rights and cosmopolitan values. We can already discern
> > its outline: an imperialism which, like all imperialism, aims to bring
> > order and organisation but which rests today on the voluntary
principle." )
> >
> > [New Labour's Robert Cooper - Tony Blair's 'policy guru' and senior
> > diplomat.]
> >
> > (i.e. 'yes! yes! colonise us! We're poor and we're stupid and we need
> > the first world to tell us what to do, coz you're so clever and brave
> > and true and free!')
> >
> > I'm curious about that one: "Sovereignty entails obligations.  One is
> > not to massacre your own people."
> >
> > That's from Richard Haass - was Powell's director of policy in 2002.
> > What about taking all the money from most of your poor people to
> > subsidise the rich and pay for a war, and then get all those poor people
> > to get drafted?  Yeah, I'm sure that's fine.
> >
> > How - no, really, *how*, do these f*ckers get away with this?  I concur
> > once again with CM - "Bunch of sticking capitalist twattymuffins. Lets
> > blow shit up."
> >
> > Ah ha!  That should *surely* be enough for both of us to get put under
> > house arrest, no?  I'm sure it's more evidence than most others have
> > attached to them!
> >
> > peace - no, really! - peace. Peace, but anger.
> >
> > Dan
> > ----
> >
> > @mparo wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks to you, Alice, and particularly to the ones that did the washing
> >> up after the meeting and all the cooking.
> >> Fan-tas-tically cool, yes. What were the opinions, if already known,
> >> about "too structured or too chaotic"?
> >>
> >> R&A
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Alice Collins wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi everyone, Loads of thanks to everyone who came; talked; listened;
> >>> organised themselves; cooked food; ate it ; shifted tables; washed
> >>> up; drank beer afterwards. I think the Big Open Meeting was
> >>> exciting. Love alice.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan" <dan at aktivix.org> To:
> >>> <Ssf at lists.aktivix.org> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 12:09 PM
> >>> Subject: [Ssf] Ideas for 2005...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> So, yup, to follow on from the last e-mail, here's some ideas:
> >>>>
> >>>> * A social: music, spoken word, film, art, light and people setting
> >>>> fire to sticks dipped in paraffin and spinning them round their
> >>>> heads.  Not been enough of this in recent times, for God's sake.
> >>>>
> >>>> Issues: Indymedia want to raise money for the server appeal (can we
> >>>> help?) Peace in the Park - what's happening there? Are they doing a
> >>>> social fundraiser?
> >>>>
> >>>> *SSF2005:  Yeah, maybe... but another thought - have a smaller
> >>>> event during the G8 Sheffield stuff, but speak to Peace in the Park
> >>>> people about possibly doing workshops / having a 'leftfield'
> >>>> tent(s) at peace in the park, in place of in indoor event.
> >>>>
> >>>> * Organise a specific event on regeneration.  I keep on going on
> >>>> about this one and not doing anything about it... but it ties in to
> >>>> so many things: G8, food sovereignty, local vs global, local
> >>>> democratic control, giving the powers that be a chance to state
> >>>> their case, giving us leftie rock-throwers a chance to find out if
> >>>> they're human...
> >>>>
> >>>> * Hungry for Justice and the launch of the Green Food Map - there's
> >>>> a post-conference plan for a Hungry for Justice website that'll
> >>>> have the transcripts from the conference (some of the stuff is
> >>>> FANTASTIC!  I should stick the doc on the WIKI...) along with
> >>>> resources on how to campaign, why it's such a political issue, how
> >>>> it ties local to global, etc... SSF could help mediate all this
> >>>> into a really good event, inviting Healthy Sheffield etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> * City Fair Trade status - a chance to get SSF, P&P, WDM, Christian
> >>>> Aid etc together to talk about this one campaign.
> >>>>
> >>>> * Seeds for Change - offering them help to organise here.  Has
> >>>> someone else already done this?
> >>>>
> >>>> * A 'speak truth to power' workshop event: how to get what you want
> >>>> from the powers that be: what their limitations and uses are.
> >>>>
> >>>> * Day trips!  Let's go to Manchester, see Merci, go to the new
> >>>> Dissent cafe / bookshop / space - which is ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!
> >>>> They also have an 'urban art exhibition'  - someone's gone around
> >>>> and got photos of all the fantastic graffiti, most of it beautiful
> >>>> and anti-corporate, and put it all on the wall.  But you can also
> >>>> tour around the place with a handy guide!
> >>>>
> >>>> Or to Hebden Bridge, or up to Leeds to meet the Leeds ARC folk, go
> >>>> to Maelstrom, whatever...
> >>>>
> >>>> Er... that'll do for now.
> >>>>
> >>>> Peace!
> >>>>
> >>>> Dan
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you
> >>>> do not expect to sit.
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