[Ssf] Re: Including...

Fri Jan 14 23:29:01 GMT 2005

> Facilitator shows round agenda and then has a go round group with 
> people introducing themselves and adding any items/issues they want 
> to talk about to the agenda. Agenda revised, similar items condensed 
> etc.

I particularly vote in favour of this (above)... but
Shouldn't different persons be chosen as facilitators for each Meeting?
This could be done by drawing lots on each meeting, so we share the
efforts of drawing agenda, etc. as facilitators would do. Thus, real
inclusion or inclusivity-

We would share also the rewards of participating, and avoid ghettoing or
éliting.
Does anybody agree or has this already being proposed?

> People HAVE TO SPEAK THROUGH THE FACILITATOR, it just doesn't work 
> otherwise and we have power imbalances as Cuthbert describes

> Now i don't understand that Jase here above means that people cannot
speak but THROUGH the facilitator as a ventriloquist,

> Where action is required, it is the responsibility of the facilitator
>  of the meeting (or the person who is facilitating that action?) to 
> make sure someone is signed up for doing that. Thought Chris made a 
> very good point about the issues of responsibility and not letting 
> people down. For me each project itself needs a facilitator, someone 
> to look after it and be a point of contact building that project 
> outside the meetings, then it would be much easier for people to be 
> involved on a more casual basis and to get involved with the tasks 
> after the meeting rather than feeling pressured into saying yes 
> straight away. There should be sensitivity and flexibility to 
> accomodate the different levels of commitment different people can 
> offer. And if no-one wants to be facilitator for a project then why 
> are we doing it?

Perhaps, for becoming a point of contact building that project (you mean
campaign?) outside the meetings, more than just ONE facilitator is
needed per task.

Just thinking that including includes excluding, therefore we are
excluding , implicitly or explicitly (eg SWP, BNP...or any Sheffielder
belonging to these organizations unless they attend in good faith and will).
Thanks to the person(s) who drew the 2005 Planning, which i suppose is
open to open discussion (perhaps one of the items of next agenda?

Any thoughts?

See you, ciao
Amparo

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> i have been offerd a job a home which means i will (if i get the job)
>  be the person who is getting a new direct access studio space / 
> gallery / media lab toghter: also me armchair hippy have an evil plan
>  to apply for the task of guest curators at access space.. some of 
> what has been spoken about here kinda fits in with what we have 
> planed for the task of curators at access space: ill be at the 
> meeting next thursday if that is cool with people i hope to have a 
> draft of what we plan as guest curators at access space and how we 
> envisage the sf project being a part of that plan: find out more 
> about access space http://lowtech.org more on me 
> http://pretentiousartist.com/
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> mozaz join the resistance fall in love
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> Message: 2 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:52:15 +0000 From: Dan 
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> "I now resign from the politcal circus hang up my clowns uniform to 
> let it gather dust and if there is another fool who desires to be the
>  court jester of sheffield politics then i'll be taking the uniform
> to oxfam in the next few days and you can purchase it from there."
> 
> Bleeding Hell!  Even Mandelson waited a few months before getting 
> back into the fray!
> 
> Awright, Mandelson, see ya on Thursday...
> 
> p.s. Can I talk about my job too?  After all, that's what Sheffield 
> Social Forum's all about, ain't it?
> 
> Seriously, though: I do hope that you know I'm just winding you up. 
> You can't say you don't do the same to me, and I'm sure our on-list 
> bickering really encourages others to want to join in...!
> 
> Be good to hear about how access space n SSF might find emselves 
> doing shared stuff.
> 
> love DAN
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>> i have been offerd a job a home which means i will (if i get the 
>> job) be the person who is getting a new direct access studio space 
>> / gallery / media lab toghter: also me armchair hippy have an evil 
>> plan to apply for the task of guest curators at access space.. some
>>  of what has been spoken about here kinda fits in with what we have
>>  planed for the task of curators at access space: ill be at the 
>> meeting next thursday if that is cool with people i hope to have a
>>  draft of what we plan as guest curators at access space and how we
>>  envisage the sf project being a part of that plan: find out more 
>> about access space http://lowtech.org more on me 
>> http://pretentiousartist.com/
>> 
>> mozaz join the resistance fall in love
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