[Ssf] MPH meeting

[Dan]

Is that twice now that someone's forwarded e-mails to the list that were 
sent privately to the individual forwarding?

Baad!

Or did I miss an e-mail, Chris?

Dan

dave thompson wrote:

>hi, 
>thanks for the reply Chris, a well balanced and
>thought out response is what i was hoping for. like
>you I do care about the disgusting poverty, etc in the
>developing world and we should campaign as much as
>possible on these issues. I am just get concerned that
>over the the years, domestic issues have been
>forgotten, there is no or little campaigning on
>welfare et,even by the TUC, but lots on a war(for
>instance) we can do little about. I also know from
>experience, that  why many of the individuals you cite
>do care about poverty, exclusion, etc and indeed often
>work in the filed, their personal attitudes to the uk
>poor is very circumspect.(see earlier posts for
>examples.)
>
>In a later post i will try to explain why one needs to
>show support for injustices here in order to maintain
>support elsewhere. Maybe, we shouldn't forget, we have
>been experiencing a boom , housing prices,etc,  when
>this crashes as it will,some people may feel even more
>alienated and turn to simplistic nasty solutions to
>their problems.
>
>regards 
>
>dt
>hope to see folks at the Caroline Lucas/Green Party
>meeting tonight.
>
>
>
>--- Chris Malins <chrismalins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Dear Dave,
>>
>>I would like to think that if we can bring people
>>involved in the MPH 
>>campaign together with the Social Forum that you
>>actually will find 
>>people with a great deal of compassion for the
>>people you mention, and 
>>indeed quite probably you are involved in their own
>>ways in trying to 
>>help them. Most of the organisations I have
>>mentioned have specific 
>>remits which may not lead them to campaign on
>>benefits etc, but the 
>>individuals involved might make a receptive
>>audience. Hopefully, we can 
>>get some of these guys to the meeting that Dan wants
>>to have on the 17th 
>>Feb, to get SSF involved in MPH, and maybe to get
>>them involved in 
>>things like benefits.
>>
>>Of the list of organisations, I would suggest that
>>the TUC should be 
>>involved in benefit campaigning, and that the Green
>>Party campaign on 
>>the sort of pledges to improve benefits that you
>>want from the 
>>government, and that some of the churches probably
>>try to provide 
>>support for the homeless and elderly.
>>
>>But also you are right that the situation of those
>>people in Africa 
>>dying of starvation, malaria aids or whatever, is a
>>different level of 
>>problem, and I personally believe that it is right
>>that we should make a 
>>real effort to make helping them out of the most
>>abject poverty a 
>>priority this year, not least because of the great
>>debt we owe them for 
>>having built our own country on their backs, and
>>supported the excesses 
>>of some of their most violent and corrupt leaders.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>deave thompson wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>hi, a genuine question, will any of this roll call
>>>      
>>>
>>of
>>    
>>
>>>the great and the good be campaigning against the
>>>disability benefit cuts which are being proposed
>>>      
>>>
>>or
>>    
>>
>>>fighting for the thousands of pensioners who are
>>>likely to die of cold this winter.
>>>
>>>
>>>yes, i know they are not anywhere in the same
>>>situation as in africa, etc, but they have at
>>>      
>>>
>>present
>>    
>>
>>>few allies, we should be there for them as well.
>>>
>>>dave t
>>>
>>>
>>>--- Chris Malins <chrismalins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I did make the MPH meeting today, and Dan, if it
>>>>makes you feel any
>>>>better, your apology made it even if you didn't.
>>>>
>>>>The key point for us as the SSF is that MPH events
>>>>should where possible
>>>>be driven by individual organisations rather than
>>>>the Steering Group,
>>>>which will act to coordinate. Therefore, its vital
>>>>that we should get in
>>>>the driving seat with ideas such as for PiP, but
>>>>also for any
>>>>contributions we can make to things like the
>>>>        
>>>>
>>Global
>>    
>>
>>>>week of action.
>>>>
>>>>Also, if people want to go to Scotland for the
>>>>        
>>>>
>>whole
>>    
>>
>>>>G8, there is not
>>>>currently (that I am aware of) any coordination of
>>>>transport, so it
>>>>would make sense to start sounding out numbers and
>>>>seeing whether we can
>>>>get a group together if anyone does want to do
>>>>        
>>>>
>>that.
>>    
>>
>>>>I do.
>>>>
>>>>Anyway, I'll give you all a quick update on what
>>>>        
>>>>
>>was
>>    
>>
>>>>said:
>>>>
>>>>On recruitment of support:
>>>>
>>>>The TUC have said they would like to be kept in
>>>>        
>>>>
>>the
>>    
>>
>>>>loop but not attend
>>>>local meetings. The Mother's Guild (something like
>>>>that anyway) are not
>>>>unsympathetic but have their own activities to
>>>>pursue. Friends of the
>>>>Earth are on board. Greenpeace are sympathetic,
>>>>        
>>>>
>>but
>>    
>>
>>>>will consult with
>>>>national office before formally endorsing. Wilpf
>>>>(Women's international
>>>>league for peace and freedom, I think) are on
>>>>        
>>>>
>>board
>>    
>>
>>>>and represented.
>>>>
>>>>Events upcoming:
>>>>
>>>>Tomorrow (Friday) night, Caroline Lucas, Green
>>>>Alternatives to
>>>>Globalisation, Victoria Hall, 7.30pm. She's great.
>>>>
>>>>Jan 27th CAAT(Campaign Against the Arms Trade)
>>>>meeting with MPH focus,
>>>>Friends Meeting House on James Street.
>>>>
>>>>Feb 2nd Wednesday, speaker from Somaliland at
>>>>Christian Aid meeting,
>>>>'supper' time at St Matthews apon Carver's Street.
>>>>
>>>>Feb 15th will be SMPH launch event held at the
>>>>university and organised
>>>>by People and Planet with support of Christian
>>>>        
>>>>
>>Aid,
>>    
>>
>>>>Oxfam, WDM and
>>>>Cafod. There will be stalls and information
>>>>        
>>>>
>>outside
>>    
>>
>>>>somewhere around the
>>>> underpass during the day, and speakers on each
>>>>campaign strand in the
>>>>Arts Tower in a Lecture theatre at 7.30, poss.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>with
>>    
>>
>>>>a short film. The
>>>>campaign in Sheffield will be intorduced by the
>>>>        
>>>>
>>SMPH
>>    
>>
>>>>chair, and the
>>>>university campaign will be introduced by People
>>>>        
>>>>
>>and
>>    
>>
>>>>Planet.
>>>>
>>>>Feb 21st Oxfam at REM concert in Arena by
>>>>invitation, rasing Make Trade
>>>>Fair and MPH issues and flyering.
>>>>
>>>>March 1-13 Fairtrade Fortnight
>>>>
>>>>Global week of action (9th-16th April)
>>>>
>>>>9th - Oxfam, Christian Aid etc organise training
>>>>conference in
>>>>Manchester for 'multipliers' ie people who go otu
>>>>and get more people
>>>>involved. All welcome, £5.
>>>>
>>>>Wilpf will be sending Patricia hewitt postcards
>>>>emphasising the effect
>>>>on women of poverty.
>>>>
>>>>13th - Religious(!) lobby of parliament. One for
>>>>        
>>>>
>>the
>>    
>>
>>>>bible bashers
>>>>amongst us.
>>>>
>>>>15th - Candlelit overnight vigils for the poverty
>>>>stricken to be held in
>>>>Whitehall, and locally in Leeds at holy Trinity
>>>>Church and outside it
>>>>weather permitting
>>>>
>>>>Ideas for further eents actively encouraged, led
>>>>        
>>>>
>>by
>>    
>>
>>>>member organisations.
>>>>
>>>>The G8 summit:
>>>>
>>>>July 2nd, Saturday, protest in Edinburgh in
>>>>        
>>>>
>>support
>>    
>>
>>>>of MPH. SMPH will
>>>>send a coach, 48 people. leave Fridsay, return
>>>>Saturday.
>>>>children/students £25 or others £30 for travel
>>>>        
>>>>
>>only.
>>    
>>
>>>>With overnight
>>>>accommodation included: £70/£75. If anyone on this
>>>>list is interested,
>>>>contact me, and i will find the relevant contact
>>>>details.
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
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