[Ssf] MPH meeting

dave thompson mpower0 at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 21 12:29:14 GMT 2005


hi, 
erm yes i think i posted it to the list by mistake,
thiough i would hope all debate is kept as open as
possible, to me constuctive debate is the life blood
of democracy and social change.

dt.



--- Dan <dan at aktivix.org> wrote:

> Is that twice now that someone's forwarded e-mails
> to the list that were 
> sent privately to the individual forwarding?
> 
> Baad!
> 
> Or did I miss an e-mail, Chris?
> 
> Dan
> 
> dave thompson wrote:
> 
> >hi, 
> >thanks for the reply Chris, a well balanced and
> >thought out response is what i was hoping for. like
> >you I do care about the disgusting poverty, etc in
> the
> >developing world and we should campaign as much as
> >possible on these issues. I am just get concerned
> that
> >over the the years, domestic issues have been
> >forgotten, there is no or little campaigning on
> >welfare et,even by the TUC, but lots on a war(for
> >instance) we can do little about. I also know from
> >experience, that  why many of the individuals you
> cite
> >do care about poverty, exclusion, etc and indeed
> often
> >work in the filed, their personal attitudes to the
> uk
> >poor is very circumspect.(see earlier posts for
> >examples.)
> >
> >In a later post i will try to explain why one needs
> to
> >show support for injustices here in order to
> maintain
> >support elsewhere. Maybe, we shouldn't forget, we
> have
> >been experiencing a boom , housing prices,etc, 
> when
> >this crashes as it will,some people may feel even
> more
> >alienated and turn to simplistic nasty solutions to
> >their problems.
> >
> >regards 
> >
> >dt
> >hope to see folks at the Caroline Lucas/Green Party
> >meeting tonight.
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Chris Malins <chrismalins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Dear Dave,
> >>
> >>I would like to think that if we can bring people
> >>involved in the MPH 
> >>campaign together with the Social Forum that you
> >>actually will find 
> >>people with a great deal of compassion for the
> >>people you mention, and 
> >>indeed quite probably you are involved in their
> own
> >>ways in trying to 
> >>help them. Most of the organisations I have
> >>mentioned have specific 
> >>remits which may not lead them to campaign on
> >>benefits etc, but the 
> >>individuals involved might make a receptive
> >>audience. Hopefully, we can 
> >>get some of these guys to the meeting that Dan
> wants
> >>to have on the 17th 
> >>Feb, to get SSF involved in MPH, and maybe to get
> >>them involved in 
> >>things like benefits.
> >>
> >>Of the list of organisations, I would suggest that
> >>the TUC should be 
> >>involved in benefit campaigning, and that the
> Green
> >>Party campaign on 
> >>the sort of pledges to improve benefits that you
> >>want from the 
> >>government, and that some of the churches probably
> >>try to provide 
> >>support for the homeless and elderly.
> >>
> >>But also you are right that the situation of those
> >>people in Africa 
> >>dying of starvation, malaria aids or whatever, is
> a
> >>different level of 
> >>problem, and I personally believe that it is right
> >>that we should make a 
> >>real effort to make helping them out of the most
> >>abject poverty a 
> >>priority this year, not least because of the great
> >>debt we owe them for 
> >>having built our own country on their backs, and
> >>supported the excesses 
> >>of some of their most violent and corrupt leaders.
> >>
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>deave thompson wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>hi, a genuine question, will any of this roll
> call
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>of
> >>    
> >>
> >>>the great and the good be campaigning against the
> >>>disability benefit cuts which are being proposed
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>or
> >>    
> >>
> >>>fighting for the thousands of pensioners who are
> >>>likely to die of cold this winter.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>yes, i know they are not anywhere in the same
> >>>situation as in africa, etc, but they have at
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>present
> >>    
> >>
> >>>few allies, we should be there for them as well.
> >>>
> >>>dave t
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--- Chris Malins <chrismalins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>I did make the MPH meeting today, and Dan, if it
> >>>>makes you feel any
> >>>>better, your apology made it even if you didn't.
> >>>>
> >>>>The key point for us as the SSF is that MPH
> events
> >>>>should where possible
> >>>>be driven by individual organisations rather
> than
> >>>>the Steering Group,
> >>>>which will act to coordinate. Therefore, its
> vital
> >>>>that we should get in
> >>>>the driving seat with ideas such as for PiP, but
> >>>>also for any
> >>>>contributions we can make to things like the
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>Global
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>week of action.
> >>>>
> >>>>Also, if people want to go to Scotland for the
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>whole
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>G8, there is not
> >>>>currently (that I am aware of) any coordination
> of
> >>>>transport, so it
> >>>>would make sense to start sounding out numbers
> and
> >>>>seeing whether we can
> >>>>get a group together if anyone does want to do
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>that.
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>I do.
> >>>>
> >>>>Anyway, I'll give you all a quick update on what
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>was
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>said:
> >>>>
> >>>>On recruitment of support:
> 
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