question time WAS Re: [ssf] 16th Febr: ID campaigners offer participation

[dave thompson]

hi, 

Sorry to be critical again but while I am all for
broad alliances, one that includes the Freedom
Association is not for me. I had my youth stolen
because of the ideological shit these outriders of
Thatcherism spewed out.Geting involved in this
campaign will mean working with all sort of
cranks(Yes, i know theres plenty already, inc me!),
racists, rightwingers, etc.....

http://www.tfa.net/history.pdf
http://www.tfa.net/ftnd04p8.pdf

those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat
it...


regards

dt


--- Phil Booth <phil at no2id.net> wrote:

> mud wrote:
> > participation
> >
> >
> > Dan wrote:
> >> On no2id - there are some rumours circulating
> that it's another
> >> bl**dy SWP front, so we may have to tread a
> little carefully.
> >
> > was it a rumour, or a rumour of a rumour ?
> >
> >> (And hopefully the rumours are wrong...)
> >
> > erm ... i asked Phil quite a few questions about
> how the campaign came
> > about and who was involved ... i can't remember
> the fine detail but
> > Phil managed to allay this fear in me ... i've
> copied him in, so that
> > he has the opportunity to refute this rumour on
> our list
> >
> > --
> > mud
> 
> Thanks, mud :)
> 
> I think someone may be spreading this rumour under
> the mistaken
> assumption that we are in some way in competition
> with Defy-ID and be
> trying to scare people off, as most of the
> references to NO2ID & SWP
> that I have found via Google (mainly comments on
> lists & fora) seem to
> refer people directly to Defy-ID. You could tell I
> was a little
> surprised to hear this when I was up in Sheffield,
> especially having
> just come over from a meeting with Defy-ID in
> Manchester the day before!
> 
> For the record, NO2ID isn't a front for *any*
> political party, SWP or
> otherwise. We are utterly non-partisan (our former
> National Coordinator
> had to stand down because he got a job with the Lib
> Dems!) and will
> never affiliate to any political party or with any
> particular political
> grouping. NO2ID is a single issue pressure group,
> concerned with
> stopping ID cards and the National Identity
> Register.
> 
> NO2ID was originally formed out of an informal
> alliance of people from
> established civil liberties and privacy
> organisations - including
> Liberty, Charter88, Privacy International, FIPR and
> Stand - which has,
> since May of last year, grown to be a broad-based
> coalition of
> organisations and individuals all of whom oppose ID
> cards, many for
> different reasons.
> 
> Our supporters include people from across the
> political spectrum, from
> members of Globalise Resistance (which may be where
> some people are
> making an SWP association?) and the Radical Activist
> Network through to
> The Freedom Association and everywhere in between.
> Check out our website
> www.no2id.net for a current list, but I don't think
> you'd find many
> card-carrying Tories working alongside die-hard
> Trades Union People in
> an SWP front!
> 
> The whole point of joining NO2ID is that, even if
> you personally don't
> agree with the politics of everyone involved, you
> are utterly against ID
> cards and the NIR and want to do something to stop
> them. Simple as.
> 
> On that basis, the campaign is currently growing at
> a rate of over 1,000
> per week and we are raising public awareness (e.g.
> with meetings like
> the one in Cambridge last night), getting media
> coverage (we've been
> published in most of the national papers, and
> interviewed on local and
> national radio, and on TV) and applying pressure to
> the politicians
> (e.g. our supporters have written literally hundreds
> of letters to their
> MPs, and we're working with Councils and Unions to
> get whole towns and
> cities, trades and professions out against ID
> control). And that's just
> for starters...
> 
> I hope this sets your minds at rest, and would
> appreciate you nipping
> this rumour in the bud if you come across it again.
> 
> 
> Phil Booth
> National Coordinator, NO2ID
> 
> 
> 
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