question time WAS Re: [ssf] 16th Febr: ID campaigners offer participation

[robin&amparo]

Sorry, Dave, i am not here to persuade anybody, but i can tell you are 
wrong, this campaign is not anyone's property or possession, it does not 
have a trademark or brandname, and it includes all ways of persons. 
Anyway, you are wrong if you think this will not touch you, sooner or 
later, even if at the beginning it is aimed at foreign nationals: if you 
want to travel abroad you will be fingerprinted and added to the 
national database which is obviously a tool for the security policies 
advocated by the G8 summit: everything is inter-related.
To advocate a counter-conference ignoring the compulsory id and other 
(so many!) complementary bills and acts (check the latest, bbc on line, 
anyone suspected of "terrorist actions" could be tagged) is, at least, 
paradoxical.
> Geting involved in this
>> campaign will mean working with all sort of
>> cranks(Yes, i know theres plenty already, inc me!),
>> racists, rightwingers, etc..


(... racists, right-wingers...? Who, like me?)

amp


dave thompson wrote:
> hi, 
> 
> Sorry to be critical again but while I am all for
> broad alliances, one that includes the Freedom
> Association is not for me. I had my youth stolen
> because of the ideological shit these outriders of
> Thatcherism spewed out.Geting involved in this
> campaign will mean working with all sort of
> cranks(Yes, i know theres plenty already, inc me!),
> racists, rightwingers, etc.....
> 
> http://www.tfa.net/history.pdf
> http://www.tfa.net/ftnd04p8.pdf
> 
> those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat
> it...
> 
> 
> regards
> 
> dt
> 
> 
> --- Phil Booth <phil at no2id.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>mud wrote:
>>
>>>participation
>>>
>>>
>>>Dan wrote:
>>>
>>>>On no2id - there are some rumours circulating
>>
>>that it's another
>>
>>>>bl**dy SWP front, so we may have to tread a
>>
>>little carefully.
>>
>>>was it a rumour, or a rumour of a rumour ?
>>>
>>>
>>>>(And hopefully the rumours are wrong...)
>>>
>>>erm ... i asked Phil quite a few questions about
>>
>>how the campaign came
>>
>>>about and who was involved ... i can't remember
>>
>>the fine detail but
>>
>>>Phil managed to allay this fear in me ... i've
>>
>>copied him in, so that
>>
>>>he has the opportunity to refute this rumour on
>>
>>our list
>>
>>>--
>>>mud
>>
>>Thanks, mud :)
>>
>>I think someone may be spreading this rumour under
>>the mistaken
>>assumption that we are in some way in competition
>>with Defy-ID and be
>>trying to scare people off, as most of the
>>references to NO2ID & SWP
>>that I have found via Google (mainly comments on
>>lists & fora) seem to
>>refer people directly to Defy-ID. You could tell I
>>was a little
>>surprised to hear this when I was up in Sheffield,
>>especially having
>>just come over from a meeting with Defy-ID in
>>Manchester the day before!
>>
>>For the record, NO2ID isn't a front for *any*
>>political party, SWP or
>>otherwise. We are utterly non-partisan (our former
>>National Coordinator
>>had to stand down because he got a job with the Lib
>>Dems!) and will
>>never affiliate to any political party or with any
>>particular political
>>grouping. NO2ID is a single issue pressure group,
>>concerned with
>>stopping ID cards and the National Identity
>>Register.
>>
>>NO2ID was originally formed out of an informal
>>alliance of people from
>>established civil liberties and privacy
>>organisations - including
>>Liberty, Charter88, Privacy International, FIPR and
>>Stand - which has,
>>since May of last year, grown to be a broad-based
>>coalition of
>>organisations and individuals all of whom oppose ID
>>cards, many for
>>different reasons.
>>
>>Our supporters include people from across the
>>political spectrum, from
>>members of Globalise Resistance (which may be where
>>some people are
>>making an SWP association?) and the Radical Activist
>>Network through to
>>The Freedom Association and everywhere in between.
>>Check out our website
>>www.no2id.net for a current list, but I don't think
>>you'd find many
>>card-carrying Tories working alongside die-hard
>>Trades Union People in
>>an SWP front!
>>
>>The whole point of joining NO2ID is that, even if
>>you personally don't
>>agree with the politics of everyone involved, you
>>are utterly against ID
>>cards and the NIR and want to do something to stop
>>them. Simple as.
>>
>>On that basis, the campaign is currently growing at
>>a rate of over 1,000
>>per week and we are raising public awareness (e.g.
>>with meetings like
>>the one in Cambridge last night), getting media
>>coverage (we've been
>>published in most of the national papers, and
>>interviewed on local and
>>national radio, and on TV) and applying pressure to
>>the politicians
>>(e.g. our supporters have written literally hundreds
>>of letters to their
>>MPs, and we're working with Councils and Unions to
>>get whole towns and
>>cities, trades and professions out against ID
>>control). And that's just
>>for starters...
>>
>>I hope this sets your minds at rest, and would
>>appreciate you nipping
>>this rumour in the bud if you come across it again.
>>
>>
>>Phil Booth
>>National Coordinator, NO2ID
>>
>>
>>
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