[ssf] Iran: bloggers arrested and beaten

[noone noone]

I don't really have a problem with liberalism per se but the thing i find 
difficult with it is the fact that it has so many different hats!  Sometimes 
i don't really know what it is....

In the 1800s there was a party called the liberal party that took it upon 
themselves to try to stop people (especially women) from having the vote and 
beleived in defending the british empire and participated in a large amount 
imperialist wars.

Then there is the modern day "liberal democrats" who in my opinion tend to 
be very opportunistic and all things to all people, currently they oppose 
detention without trial unless it is OK'd by a judge.

Then there is dan's very own brand of liberalism which is best described as 
being woolly(!)

I think it is about trying to be nice to people and doing stuff for the 
greater good but who knows!

from
cuthbert


>From: Dan <dan at aktivix.org>
>To: SSF <ssf at lists.aktivix.org>, tom stafford <tom at idiolect.org.uk>
>Subject: [ssf] Iran: bloggers arrested and beaten
>Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:55:22 +0000
>
>Hey up,
>
>Being one of them ummy arry liberal types, I never like to miss a chance to 
>qualify and compare.
>
>This story:
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4283231.stm
>
>On Iranian bloggers being arrested, beaten and tortured, for example.  
>Which is to say, however much things are going in the wrong direction, 
>we're a long way from this. (And it's a million miles from saying that our 
>thoughts are controlled by the corporate press.  Maybe - but we have 
>Indymedia, blogs, freedom of speech, printing presses not owned by the 
>state all over the place...)
>
>The other really interesting thing about all this - e.g. with the Indymedia 
>servers, and more recently as regards Iraq's assets being sold off the 
>highest bidder, is how much you get to hear folk who usually talk of 
>breaking the state / how much law is just an extension of capitalism start 
>to cite various international and national laws in their defence.
>
>And why not?  It's one reason why we're not going to end up like Iran any 
>time soon - coz of the checks and balances of our judicial system.  It may 
>not be perfect, but it ain't a police state.  Yet.
>
>Hope that gets someone riled enough to argue with me.
>
>love
>
>Dan
>
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