[blag-whereto] shutdown/removal of blag vm
tristan
pinmaritim at riseup.net
Fri Sep 27 08:17:46 UTC 2013
Hi and Welcome poordog
Looks like we are on the same boat,
as you i have joined recently and would like to see such a great
distribution
carry on it's long passage.
Also to add that i didn't realize the involvement of Alexandre Oliva
which i thought
was the developer...sorry,and it does look like the FSF is helping. I
assumed wrong.
Others such as Junichiro,Weyasay,Veganix are also very involved ...(
there are others which
i don't yet know about..)I guess Blag is alive due to their
commitement...>>THANKS.
for newscomers it takes a bit of time to understand i guess but its
worth it.
http://www.weyasey.org/
http://veganix.wordpress.com/
Le 26/09/2013 23:03, poordog a écrit :
> I just joined the mailing list and I'm not sure how to reply properly.
> I intend to reply to the thread titled "Re: [blag-whereto]
> shutdown/removal of blag vm" so feel free to move or delete this
> message if it gets posted to a new thread.
>
> I previously sent a message to this thread but it didn't get posted
> because I wasn't a registered member. I essentially said that I would
> be disappointed to see this project shut down completely. I am not a
> developer but I am interested in supporting blag with whatever limited
> skills that I can offer. I think that this would be a great
> opportunity to learn about the development of a distro, and I would
> feel nice knowing that I'm contributing to a free software project
> such as this one.
>
> I'm trying my best to learn about coding and development in whatever
> little free time I have, so maybe I can contribute more down the line,
> provided the servers don't get shut down. Moreover, it still appears
> that there are newcomers like me who are interested in blag - someone
> dropped in the IRC channel to ask some questions about blag because he
> was interested in installing it on an older computer. I've mostly only
> seen junichiro in IRC and sometimes genpashiro, but I'm glad that
> veganix, vladomiro, and some others having been stopping by to chat as
> of late. Hopefully the discussion and interest will be sustained so
> that regular development can be picked up again.
>
> On 09/26/2013 04:08 PM, vladimirpunk at radiomexico.com wrote:
>> Sorry, I made a mistake and only send it to Alexandre, I resend it.
>> Well, this is the begining, at least we are discussing who are in and
>> what we are able to do, I will just add a question according to what
>> Alexandre says, the security problems are derivated of the
>> unmaintened distribution, so if we come with a new one they will
>> dissapear, or are derivated of fedora versions? I've got problems to
>> conect to irc channel, but right now I in it.
>>
>> We are in the way, let's keep on going.
>>
>> Vladimir (vladomiro)
>>
>>
>> ----- Mensaje original -----
>> De:
>> Alexandre Oliva <lxoliva at fsfla.org <mailto:lxoliva at fsfla.org>>
>>
>> Para:
>> "tristan" <pinmaritim at riseup.net <mailto:pinmaritim at riseup.net>>
>> Cc:
>>
>> Enviado:
>> Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:08:57 -0300
>> Asunto:
>> Re: [blag-whereto] shutdown/removal of blag vm
>>
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2013, tristan wrote:
>>
>> > i don't understand;you seem to have no support from the FSF
>> & Gnu-org.
>> > Why?
>>
>> Why do you say that?
>>
>> We got all the support we asked for from the FSF and GNU.
>>
>> The only one uncomfortable with the current arrangement is
>> myself,
>> because as far as the FSF is concerned, I'm the contact point
>> WRT that
>> server, which makes me feel personally responsible for any
>> harm that the
>> FSF and the other projects hosted by it might suffer should
>> our AFAICT
>> insecure server be broken into.
>>
>> That, plus my perception that there's no maintenance work
>> underway in
>> the blag community, therefore no perspective that existing
>> holes will be
>> fixed with security updates or new releases, plus the
>> feedback I got on
>> our IRC channel that blag was effectively dead, made me
>> discuss with the
>> FSF what path to take, for there'd be no point in the FSF's
>> lending
>> computing resources and taking risks if nothing good for the free
>> software movement is ever going to come out of it.
>>
>> Now, since there is clearly a community that cares about blag
>> carrying
>> on, I can hope out of this community something good for the
>> movement
>> *will* come out, and I'll be very glad to help make it happen.
>>
>> > what can we do ?as average users with no technical knowledge;
>> > is it a question of finance?
>> > or of mainteneers&developpers?servers?
>>
>> My feeling is that we need maintainers/developers; it seemed
>> to me like
>> BLAG was hopelessly abandoned by all former developers, and
>> RMS even
>> told me last time he tried to get more maint/developers for blag,
>> nothing came out of it. Under that light, shutting down would
>> seem
>> reasonable, does it not? ;-)
>>
>> Anyway, I'm sure we need more maintainers and developers, and
>> if we
>> can't get that with community action (say, sufficiently
>> caring user
>> becoming maintainers or enlisting other volunteers to do so
>> ;-), maybe
>> trying to crowdfund a paid position is something we could
>> consider, if
>> we can find someone who would like to do the job but couldn't
>> do it well
>> without such financial support.
>>
>> > if Blag dissapears i would be very unhappy with the Gnu-org
>> > & the Fsf,considering that they have not defended such a
>> great project.
>>
>> I'm sorry that you felt that way; I hope you now agree that
>> it was a
>> misperception. I don't see a wish in GNU or in the FSF that
>> BLAG will
>> go away (quite the opposite), but ultimately it is our collective
>> responsibility to keep it alive. Let's make it so!
>>
>> --
>> Alexandre Oliva, freedom fighter http://FSFLA.org/~lxoliva/
>> <http://FSFLA.org/%7Elxoliva/>
>> You must be the change you wish to see in the world. -- Gandhi
>> Be Free! -- http://FSFLA.org/ FSF Latin America board member
>> Free Software Evangelist Red Hat Brazil Compiler Engineer
>>
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