[Campaignforrealdemocracy] Fwd: The alternative to cuts etc / the future of new cross

Wed Feb 23 17:55:38 UTC 2011

Mark

Yes several times. They were very polite but said there were bigger
problems!!! (that were relatively very small)

BTW I am not campaigning on a single issue remedy like LVT. I am campaigning
on identifying the root cause of poverty, corruption, vice, recession,
destruction, war. Because once the mass of people see it there will be a
revolution overnight. Then they will decide what the remedy is.

Fuck the campaigners. I have found them to be the most ignorant and selfish
class of all. If this offends please give me time to show you the proof
before flaming me?

I realise this is not easy to understand for many. Please help me find a way
to get the point across to you. I have tried so many times and in so many
ways.

Cheers

On 23 February 2011 09:21, Mark Barrett <marknbarrett at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Robin did you make contact with UK Uncut yet about tax avoidance via
> privatised land rents ?  Did they express any interested in
> campiagning against big land owners to highlight your point? The only
> way to build a campaign around this as a single issue as far as I can
> see would be to set up a direct action group in their mould - or work
> with them if they are interested.
>
> Does anyone else on this list have anything  to add to this debate at
> this point ? If not probably we should take the conversation off -list
> so that people don't feel they are being subjected to a private
> conversation and its a bit off the topic for which it was set up
>
> Mark
>
> On 23 February 2011 09:07, Robin Smith <robinsmith3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ah yes, the theory that says the weak overwhelm the powerful right?
> >
> > Can you see that even most campaigners want to collect rents themselves
> > privately. Any that dont do it yet aspire to it. That is whu we do mot
> want
> > to discusd it. We are guilty ourselves.
> >
> > I see sentimentally naive campaigns as the biggest spammers. They are
> > selfishly avoiding that.
> >
> > So if the force blocking change is so much more powerful than the
> weakness
> > wanting it, what do you think will happen. We wil have to wait until
> people
> > are statving first. Is that what you want?
> >
> > Strayegy
> >
> > 1 point out ths great wrong and be certain about it not timid
> >
> > 2 focus a mass if resistance nit on that thing but on a proximate cause
> to
> > get people thinking for the first time about wrongness
> >
> > 3 when the we are thinking and debating, focus that new power on the
> great
> > wrong
> >
> > This is not about a dumb silver bullet. Its about being smart and
> admitting
> > we are all complicit
> >
> > Cheers x
> >
> > On 23 Feb 2011 08:32, "Mark Barrett" <marknbarrett at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Whether or not that is a / the solution there are a lot of other,
> >> important steps we need to take 1st
> >> Intermittently spamming lots of lists with this silver bullet theory
> >> does not really help to build a movement for change
> >> First people need to seize power, THEN you'll need to persuade them
> >> through democratic processes that this is the way forward - there is
> >> no short-cut to your dream's manifestation
> >> This is why James and others are focused on the means with which
> >> people can actively take power together - or at least do away with
> >> those whjo have power over them in POLITICAL-ECONOMIC terms not merely
> >> economic as your theory goes. I think they are right
> >>
> >> X
> >>
> >> On 23 February 2011 08:05, Robin Smith <robinsmith3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Abolish ALL taxes
> >>> Collect ALL land rents for revenue
> >>>
> >>> Its that simple. Why make it complex.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>> On 22 Feb 2011 22:48, "James Holland" <james at dogmanet.org> wrote:
> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>> From: James Holland <james at dogmanet.org>
> >>>> Date: Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:02 AM
> >>>> Subject: The alternative to cuts etc / the future of new cross
> >>>> To: people-before-private-profit at googlegroups.com, Laca Lists <
> >>>> laca at lists.aktivix.org>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You know that we're often asked "what's your alternative" at the
> moment
> >>>> its
> >>>> pretty much 'tax the bankers' which is a good start, but I've been
> >>>> wanting
> >>>> to add something to it about getting people to come together to
> discuss,
> >>>> and
> >>>> decide things for themselves, and the great thing is that we can
> >>>> actually
> >>>> make this one happen.
> >>>>
> >>>> It was originally an idea to conduct a 'real consultation' but it's
> >>>> developed into much more than that - the process of discussing
> >>>> alternatives
> >>>> directly with each other and then putting them into practice ourselves
> >>>> seems
> >>>> to me to be a pretty good starting point for improving democracy, as
> >>>> well
> >>>> as
> >>>> probably coming up with a better plan than that currently being
> >>>> employed.
> >>>>
> >>>> The process begins now with publicity and discussions on the blog
> before
> >>>> a
> >>>> series of public meetings starting on April 11th at All Saints
> community
> >>>> centre.
> >>>>
> >>>> I hope you might want to mention it as an example of a positive
> >>>> alternative
> >>>> in publicity materials and interviews etc and also get involved in you
> >>>> live
> >>>> in se14 (or nearby) or think about starting something similar in your
> >>>> area.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://thefutureofnewcross.wordpress.com
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/home.php?sk=group_198418413518013
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> "I am going to ask you something. Why are you being educated? Do you
> >> understand my question? Your parents send you to school. You attend
> >> classes, you learn mathematics, you learn geography, you learn
> >> history. Why? Have you ever asked why you want to be educated, what is
> >> the point of being educated? What is the point of your passing
> >> examinations and getting degrees? Is it to get married, get a job and
> >> settle down in life as millions and millions of people do? Is that
> >> what you are going to do, is that the meaning of education? Do you
> >> understand what I am talking about? This is really a very serious
> >> question. The whole world is questioning the basis of education. We
> >> see what education has been used for. Human beings throughout the
> >> world - whether in Russia or in China or in America or in Europe or in
> >> this country - are being educated to conform, to fit into society and
> >> into their culture, to fit into the stream of social and economic
> >> activity, to be sucked into that vast stream that has been flowing for
> >> thousands of years. Is that education, or is education something
> >> entirely different? Can education see to it that the human mind is not
> >> drawn into that vast stream and so destroyed; see that the mind is
> >> never sucked into that stream; so that, with such a mind, you can be
> >> an entirely different human being with a different quality to life?
> >> Are you going to be educated that way? Or are you going to allow your
> >> parents, society, to dictate to you so that you become pad of the
> >> stream of society? Real education means that a human mind, your mind,
> >> not only is capable of being excellent in mathematics, geography and
> >> history, but also can never, under any circumstances, be drawn into
> >> the stream of society. Because that stream which we call living, is
> >> very corrupt, is immoral, is violent, is greedy. That stream is our
> >> culture. So, the question is how to bring about the right kind of
> >> education so that the mind can withstand all temptations, all
> >> influences, the bestiality of this civilization and this culture. We
> >> have come to a point in history where we have to create a new culture,
> >> a totally different kind of existence, not based on consumerism and
> >> industrialization."
> >> J. Krishnamurti
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_525001&v=eX4toR2cogA&feature=iv#t=2m6s
> >>
> >> "We hear men speaking for us of new laws strong and sweet /Yet is
> >> there no man speaketh as we speak in the street.”
> >
>
>
>
> --
> "I am going to ask you something. Why are you being educated? Do you
> understand my question? Your parents send you to school. You attend
> classes, you learn mathematics, you learn geography, you learn
> history. Why? Have you ever asked why you want to be educated, what is
> the point of being educated? What is the point of your passing
> examinations and getting degrees? Is it to get married, get a job and
> settle down in life as millions and millions of people do? Is that
> what you are going to do, is that the meaning of education? Do you
> understand what I am talking about? This is really a very serious
> question. The whole world is questioning the basis of education. We
> see what education has been used for. Human beings throughout the
> world - whether in Russia or in China or in America or in Europe or in
> this country - are being educated to conform, to fit into society and
> into their culture, to fit into the stream of social and economic
> activity, to be sucked into that vast stream that has been flowing for
> thousands of years. Is that education, or is education something
> entirely different? Can education see to it that the human mind is not
> drawn into that vast stream and so destroyed; see that the mind is
> never sucked into that stream; so that, with such a mind, you can be
> an entirely different human being with a different quality to life?
> Are you going to be educated that way? Or are you going to allow your
> parents, society, to dictate to you so that you become pad of the
> stream of society? Real education means that a human mind, your mind,
> not only is capable of being excellent in mathematics, geography and
> history, but also can never, under any circumstances, be drawn into
> the stream of society. Because that stream which we call living, is
> very corrupt, is immoral, is violent, is greedy. That stream is our
> culture. So, the question is how to bring about the right kind of
> education so that the mind can withstand all temptations, all
> influences, the bestiality of this civilization and this culture. We
> have come to a point in history where we have to create a new culture,
> a totally different kind of existence, not based on consumerism and
> industrialization."
> J. Krishnamurti
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_525001&v=eX4toR2cogA&feature=iv#t=2m6s
>
> "We hear men speaking for us of new laws strong and sweet /Yet is
> there no man speaketh as we speak in the street.”
>

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