[Cc-fests&FR] [climatecampprocess] [Fwd: workshops at big green gathering

Mon Feb 16 15:44:45 GMT 2009

Done form. Am posting by tomorrow AM. Have left out stuff about vans, cars etc. Gone for 20 crew (including speakers). 

JUST NEED OUR ANNUAL TURNOVER.

M
xxx

--- On Mon, 16/2/09, Ben Hart <benhart33 at googlemail.com> wrote:

> From: Ben Hart <benhart33 at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cc-fests&FR] [climatecampprocess] [Fwd: workshops at big green gathering
> To: cc-festivalsandfundraising at lists.aktivix.org
> Date: Monday, 16 February, 2009, 1:42 PM
> Agree to all of these points. Do we know what the deadline
> is? Marina- can
> we have an update please?
> 
> 2009/2/14 <wildwoodsman at riseup.net>
> 
> > Hi All!
> >
> > Just back on the email loop.. so to chip in: I'm
> definitely up for
> > organising nvda training at bgg. I think it would be
> good to keep the
> > focus of this on the more experiential/practical side
> of things - so
> > possibilities might be lock-ons (d-locks & tubes),
> tripods, blockades
> > showing how to do it & maybe including role-plays
> so people get to have a
> > go in a fun way too! If anyone's got more ideas or
> things they think would
> > appeal to the festival going peeps I'd love to
> hear them!
> > Also as far as the whole bgg set up... I agree with
> whats been said so far:
> > vegan cafe
> > space for people to hang
> out/discussions/workshops/talks etc
> > we could have open-mic/music etc later on
> > I personally would be keen to get a bicycle cinema
> going as this could be
> > a good way to raise awareness of the wider
> issues/campaigns etc. For
> > example we could show things like the rossport 2008
> film, on the verge,
> > and longer films like age of stupid, an inconvenient
> truth etc. this could
> > be like a chill out type space where people can hang
> out with films etc
> > showing on one wall... people can come & go..
> wouldn't need to be like a
> > formal cinema with times for showings etc (although we
> could do that too).
> > Do we know when the deadline is for the bgg form?
> > Also have we got a definitive list of the festivals we
> are going to? It
> > would be good to thrash this out & maybe try and
> get an article or some
> > promo stuff (for free obviously!) in things like
> festival eye and in the
> > guides to festivals that newspapers do etc. to
> generate some interest & it
> > would be good publicity for climate camp generally
> too!
> > Cheers,
> > Neil
> >
> > > Hello Marina.
> > >
> > > How's this going? Not to be really pushy but
> I think it's very important
> > > to
> > > get it done asap. I'm not sure how many
> people are on this list- is it
> > > worth
> > > sending it to a bigger list- e.g. networking?
> > > * *
> > > *Still not sure of numbers as I have no idea who
> is good, who is strong,
> > > who
> > > can multi task and who is disciplined and will
> stay put rather than
> > wonder
> > > off.*
> > > I think it's best to work out exactly what we
> think needs to be done man
> > > hour wise and then err on the side of caution.
> Although the camp may have
> > > worked with people chipping in, a lot of work did
> fall to a few people
> > who
> > > would take things on. I think it's fairer to
> draw up a rota- make sure
> > > everyone chips in, rather than expecting people
> just not to bother.
> > >
> > > Can we see the form? What exactly is needed- can
> we give in a rough idea
> > > and
> > > flesh it out nearer the time?
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Ben.
> > >
> > > 2009/2/12 Ben Hart
> <benhart33 at googlemail.com>
> > >
> > >> Yep. The LCS is doing it's own thing and
> won't be donating to Camp as
> > >> it's
> > >> focusing on smaller, local projects. I think
> therefore that the vegan
> > >> cafe
> > >> would be the best idea.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2009/2/12 james holland
> <james at dogmanet.org>
> > >>
> > >>  the reason i'm keen on these luxuries is
> that it counteracts the oft
> > >>> repeated criticism that a sustainable
> life is a miserable one where
> > >>> we'll
> > >>> have to do without things - in fact
> it'll be better
> > >>>
> > >>> but of course keep it doable - i think
> training and inspiration is
> > >>> perhaps
> > >>> more important and less of a practical
> challenge - i think neil is keen
> > >>> on
> > >>> arranging training?
> > >>>
> > >>> i think LCS are doing something anyway,
> and this will be separate /
> > >>> extra?
> > >>>
> > >>> CC style food is perhaps another good
> profit option as it is a key
> > >>> feature
> > >>> of the camp as well? plus badges and t
> shirts..
> > >>>
> > >>> i'm def up for helping at BGG
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> James Holland
> > >>>
> > >>> http://risingclevel.blogspot.com/
> > >>>
> > >>> marina pepper wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I personally am dead set against
> showers saunas etc. Too much work.
> > >>>> And
> > >>>> quite frankly if people can't
> spend a few days at a festival coping,
> > >>>> it's
> > >>>> not our job to pander to their
> vanities.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yep, there's nothing in
> James' "ideas" that weren't covered in the
> > >>>> original working group chat (no
> minutes ever produced or email list
> > >>>> produced).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Still not sure of numbers as I have
> no idea who is good, who is
> > >>>> strong,
> > >>>> who can multi task and who is
> disciplined and will stay put rather
> > >>>> than
> > >>>> wonder off.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I note also that now there is no
> mention of last chance saloon, there
> > >>>> is
> > >>>> no suggestion of a bar. Isn't
> that the profit bit? Discuss
> > >>>>
> > >>>> M
> > >>>> xxx
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> *From:* Ben Hart
> <benhart33 at googlemail.com>
> > >>>> *To:*
> cc-festivalsandfundraising at lists.aktivix.org
> > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 February, 2009
> 21:22:48
> > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Cc-fests&FR]
> [climatecampprocess] [Fwd: workshops at
> > >>>> big
> > >>>> green gathering
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ok then..
> > >>>>  Looks like we need a crash brain
> storm about what we want to happen.
> > >>>> James has already done some stirling
> work looking at an application
> > >>>> for
> > >>>> Glasto (See below). I reckon we
> should thrash out what we'd like to do
> > >>>> at
> > >>>> the BGG using this as a starting
> point.
> > >>>>  Personally I think something like
> James' bigger idea below- using one
> > >>>> big marquee and organising it like
> one of the neighbourhoods at the
> > >>>> camp:
> > >>>>  Vegan Kitchen- making lunch and
> dinner for donations.
> > >>>> Direct Action Training sessions in
> the afternoon.
> > >>>> Talks/ Discussions based on the
> different themes of Climate Camp this
> > >>>> year after dinner, followed by some
> films (and maybe music?)
> > >>>>  Not sure a sauna is needed though!!
> > >>>>  I think a lot of talks/ training
> sessions will have already been
> > >>>> produced for the G20 event, and
> I'm sure structures will be being
> > >>>> re-obtained in preparation for the
> convergence. And it's obvious that
> > >>>> there's plenty of people who
> would like to volunteer to provide stuff
> > >>>> to the
> > >>>> space, which could also be a good
> meeting point for lots of people if
> > >>>> you
> > >>>> make it friendly enough.
> > >>>>  If we create the space I'm sure
> it'll work fantastically...
> > >>>>  What do people think?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  2009/2/11 marina pepper
> <votepepper at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:
> > >>>> votepepper at yahoo.co.uk>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    I have the BGG form. Am looking at
> it blankly cos we haven't had
> > >>>> any
> > >>>>    sort of discussion on what Climate
> Camp is doing on the road.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    I have ideas, but I'd hate to
> impose a benign dictatorship order on
> > >>>>    a project I know so many want to
> be involved with.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    To start you off - is it a spin
> off of our pop up camp in the city?
> > >>>>    Does it operate like a
> neighbourhood? Is it a marquee with a bar? A
> > >>>>    forum? A vegan cafe? Are we doing
> training sessions? Consensus
> > >>>>    debates? Do we need 10 peeps or 30
> peeps? Are we offereing stuff
> > >>>> for
> > >>>>    kids? Older people?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    Answers soon as you like. I've
> spent last coupla days doing family
> > >>>>    court nonsense. YUCK! I'm off
> to form mothers for justice.
> > >>>>    Underpants please...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    M
> > >>>>    xxx
> > >>>>
> > >>>> /SMALL - minimum/
> > >>>> /a small marquee (lightweight
> 'party tent' type 6x3m?)
> > >>>> covered kitchen (3mx3m)
> > >>>> outside kitchen area (3mx3m)/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> /tea urn
> > >>>> projector
> > >>>> small pa
> > >>>> solar panel
> > >>>> bike generator
> > >>>> batteries
> > >>>> rocket stoves and other cooking
> equipment
> > >>>> food
> > >>>> sink / water set up
> > >>>> perimeter signs / bunting / lights
> > >>>> chairs, cushions
> > >>>> flags banners/
> > >>>> /daily schedule/
> > >>>> /4-5 welcome meeting/intro to climate
> cmap
> > >>>> 5-7 training session or  workshop or
> film
> > >>>> 7-8 dinner/
> > >>>> /Kitchen - 12 person hours a day (4
> people x 3 hours)
> > >>>> running talks / films / training -
> 12phd  (4 people x 3 hours)
> > >>>> outreach round the festival - 4phd 
> (2 people x 2 hours)/
> > >>>> /28 hours X 5 days
> > >>>> minimum 7 people 4 hours a day (with
> at least some of those doing a
> > >>>> few
> > >>>> hours in the previous few days to set
> up)/
> > >>>> /plus any outside speakers/
> > >>>> /draft budget (very rough)/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> /structures - 0 (i've got these)
> > >>>> Audio visual equipment £200
> > >>>> transport of staff and equipment
> £500
> > >>>> power equipment £500
> > >>>> workshop expenses £200
> > >>>> Decoration of field  £500
> > >>>> food  - £500
> > >>>> Donation to climate camp £5000
> > >>>> flyers - £200/
> > >>>> /total £7,600/
> > >>>> // //
> > >>>> /BIG  - Full scale/
> > >>>> /outreach stall  (simple gazebo
> 3mx3m)
> > >>>> a small marquee (lightweight
> 'party tent' type 6x3m?)
> > >>>> covered kitchen (3mx3m)
> > >>>> outside kitchen area (3mx3m)
> > >>>> compost toilet (combined)
> > >>>> sauna (4X4 m)
> > >>>> tea urn
> > >>>> projector
> > >>>> small pa
> > >>>> solar panel
> > >>>> bike generator
> > >>>> batteries
> > >>>> rocket stoves and other cooking
> equipment
> > >>>> food
> > >>>> sink / water set up
> > >>>> perimeter signs / bunting / lights
> > >>>> chairs, cushions
> > >>>> flags banners/
> > >>>> /daily schedule/
> > >>>> /1-2 lunch
> > >>>> 2-3 welcome meeting/intro to climate
> cmap
> > >>>> 3-5 training session
> > >>>> 5-7 workshop / film
> > >>>> 7-8 dinner
> > >>>> 8- booze/
> > >>>> /Kitchen - 24 person hours a day (4
> people x 6 hours)
> > >>>> stall - 12 phd (2 people x 6 hours)
> > >>>> running talks / films / training -
> 20phd  (4 people x 5 hours)
> > >>>> outreach round the festival - 12phd 
> (2 people x 6 hours)
> > >>>> bar 8 phd (2 people x 4 hours)/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> /76 hours X 5 days
> > >>>> minimum 20 people about 4 hours a day
> > >>>> (with at least some of those doing a
> few hours in the previous few
> > >>>> days
> > >>>> to set up)/
> > >>>> /plus any outside speakers/
> > >>>> /draft budget (very rough)/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> /structures - £200 (compost toilet)
> > >>>> Audio visual equipment £200
> > >>>> transport of staff and equipment
> £1000
> > >>>> power equipment £500
> > >>>> workshop expenses £500
> > >>>> Decoration of field  £1000
> > >>>> food  - £1000
> > >>>> booze - £500
> > >>>> flyers - £300
> > >>>> Donation to climate camp £5000/
> > >>>> /total £10,000/
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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