[Cc-webedit] Cc-webedit Digest, Vol 9, Issue 24

[richard hering]

2009/8/14 richard hering <richard at visionon.tv>

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> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:04:01 +0100
> From: alistair alexander <alistair at ali303.net>
> Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] The Great Climate Swoop
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> Alistair wrote:
>
> ?I?m really unhappy about this ongoing media video stuff. It?s not
> clear to me if this is a media group video or visionontv ? now it
> seems the video is on climate rush.
>
> - It's Climate Camp TV - some people happen to work with visionOntv, others
> do not - cc-tv is a sub-group of the media group.
> We have now responded to the request that the embed should be more
> selective, by producing a selective feed.
>
> I think the process of the homepage should be that working groups
> request (not demand) slots on the homepage from the web group. It?s
> our job to balance competing priorities (Iggy?s email illustrates the
> point perfectly I think).
>
> - And we agree that radio is important - that's why we offered to make a
> website button for them - and we feel it's important to request saying who
> supports it.
>
> I think if the media group has a video made by themselves to promote
> the camp, then that has a good case for being on the front page. ?But
> it should be on a case-by-case (or video-by-video) basis ? not an
> ongoing feed of random videos.
>
> - There is an issue of trust here - once cc-tv knows what videos are
> consensed to appear, you can trust us to do it - otherwise it's
> nightmarishly bureaucratic, and we don't succeed in creating our own media.
>
> External videos ? however supportive ?are to me a different matter.
> Not saying they shouldn?t be there, but there should certainly be no
> presumption that they automatically appear on our homepage. If vision
> on are doing daily videos on the camp ? we need to dicuss that with
> them.
>
> - visionOntv is doing what it did last year, but bigger, and as part of a
> much larger group - Climate Camp TV - a sub-group of the media group
> This is Climate Camp's video - what's the problem with that?
>
> I?m really not interested in a group?s ?strong consensus? ? we should
> expect every request to be backed with consensus within that group.
>
> - Agreed.
>
> If people in the media group want to be involved in that process of
> helping with the homepage, that?s absolutely fine ? they can join the
> website group.
>
> And another meedja thing?..
>
> I?m not too keen on the media group taking over the blog. Obviously we
> need them involved, and they?ll probably produce more posts than
> anyone else. But they shouldn?t be ?mediating? other groups? posts,
> such as legal ? the whole point of the blog is to get away from
> traditional media channels. I secretly long for off-message blog
> posts, and I?m sure I?m not the only one?.
>
> Rant over,
>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>   1. Re: Climate Camp TV embed (iggyp imc)
>>   2. Re: The Great Climate Swoop (alistair alexander)
>>   3. Re: The Great Climate Swoop (Jonathan Leighton)
>>   4. Re: The Great Climate Swoop (Jonathan Leighton)
>>   5. Re: The Great Climate Swoop (Neil)
>>   6. Re: The Great Climate Swoop (theinnercityhippy at riseup.net)
>>   7. Fwd: [cc-international] Website (Chris Kitchen)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:22:02 +0100
>> From: iggyp imc <iggyp.imc at googlemail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] Climate Camp TV embed
>> To: cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org, instantwerewolf at riseup.net,
>>        chickpea at riseup.net, neilf at riseup.net, dissidentisland at riseup.net
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>> sorry about the last email, i meant to send it as a reply to this one!!!
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> Is it possible that the radio can get as prominent a link on the website
>> as
>> the TV? We did a huge amount of work last year. it worked, and we got
>> loads
>> of positive feedback.....and after all, tv is bandwidth intensive compared
>> to audio and is really just radio with pictures!!!!
>> We have a flash player that you can use, but there is also allready a
>> hyperactive media player available too...
>>
>> thanks
>> Iggy
>>
>> 2009/8/13 richard hering <richard at visionon.tv>
>>
>> > Jonathan wrote:
>> >
>> > Also: is this embed URL just for climate camp specific films? The film
>> > that comes up at the moment is about climate rush. When will the first
>> > climate camp stuff be going up?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > This embed will be for the duration of the camps by default exclusively
>> > climate camp films. Down the list are all the climate camp films from
>> last
>> > year.  Before the climate camp films for 2009 roll in it makes sense to
>> have
>> > some other relevant content to renovate the embed. Isn't it hard anyway
>> to
>> > decide if something is "climate camp" or not. What about pixie actions
>> etc?
>> > However, if you prefer, we can alter the embed so that it only shows a
>> > selection of films.
>> >
>> > Richard
>> >
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>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:04:01 +0100
>> From: alistair alexander <alistair at ali303.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] The Great Climate Swoop
>> To: cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org
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>> This all seems good to me:
>>
>> Main promo ? Swoop (swoop group) ?(what?s the format in this one ?
>> text plus two links?)
>>
>> Promo 1 ? 10 reasons (workshops/handbook ? I can do this one)
>>
>> Promo 2 ? Climate swoop vote (it?s a spoof? That changes everything ?
>> am I being? thick here?)
>>
>> Promo 3 ? Copenhagen (international group)
>>
>> Promo 4 ? Video (Meedja)
>>
>> We need graphics or images in those promos also - I was going to look
>> at this as part of the content stuff.
>>
>> We?ll also need 4 blog posts, 3 links in media circus, 3 press releases?
>>
>> Will Hyperactive be ready to feed the frontpage?
>>
>> And the latest tweet from twitter/facebook etc
>>
>> We did discuss last week a box for 4-5 static links somewhere below
>> the 4 promos. It would be very handy I think.
>>
>> But...
>>
>> ?I?m really unhappy about this ongoing media video stuff. It?s not
>> clear to me if this is a media group video or visionontv ? now it
>> seems the video is on climate rush.
>>
>> I think the process of the homepage should be that working groups
>> request (not demand) slots on the homepage from the web group. It?s
>> our job to balance competing priorities (Iggy?s email illustrates the
>> point perfectly I think).
>>
>> I think if the media group has a video made by themselves to promote
>> the camp, then that has a good case for being on the front page. ?But
>> it should be on a case-by-case (or video-by-video) basis ? not an
>> ongoing feed of random videos.
>>
>> External videos ? however supportive ?are to me a different matter.
>> Not saying they shouldn?t be there, but there should certainly be no
>> presumption that they automatically appear on our homepage. If vision
>> on are doing daily videos on the camp ? we need to dicuss that with
>> them.
>>
>> I?m really not interested in a group?s ?strong consensus? ? we should
>> expect every request to be backed with consensus within that group.
>>
>> If people in the media group want to be involved in that process of
>> helping with the homepage, that?s absolutely fine ? they can join the
>> website group.
>>
>> And another meedja thing?..
>>
>> I?m not too keen on the media group taking over the blog. Obviously we
>> need them involved, and they?ll probably produce more posts than
>> anyone else. But they shouldn?t be ?mediating? other groups? posts,
>> such as legal ? the whole point of the blog is to get away from
>> traditional media channels. I secretly long for off-message blog
>> posts, and I?m sure I?m not the only one?.
>>
>> Rant over,
>>
>> ?Alistair????<<dismounts and watches high horse on soapbox gallop
>> awkwardly into the distance>>
>>
>> 2009/8/13 Jonathan Stevenson <jjjstevenson at fastmail.fm>
>> >
>> > Post Camp gathering isn't very important - much more important that
>> people come to the Camp and take part in the Where Now? day and if they're
>> interested in being part of the Camp in an ongoing way they'll come to the
>> gathering.
>> >
>> > I think we could probably pick out three key things from the workshops
>> handbook to appear below the swoop that bring out the three main strands of
>> what we're doing this year, which I'd make:
>> >
>> > 1. Full info about the London Camp, with link to the workshops programme
>> and the 10 reasons to target London text from the handbook
>> > 2. Drax v Ratcliffe - Tim is on the case - though I think we need to
>> make it clearer that the vote is a spoof - am about to raise this on the
>> Coal Action list
>> > 3. Copenhagen - we've committed as the Camp to going to Copenhagen so I
>> think we should have Copenhagen and the Reclaim Power day of action as a
>> feature - it's all part of the package of why coming to this camp is
>> important. Did I say package? We can also highlight the international
>> workshops at the Camp.
>> >
>> > There's also a question about whether we should be putting the ongoing
>> Vestas stuff on the site and how, but because I'm less clear on what's next
>> on that maybe it could be featured in Past Actions or on the ?blog. Not that
>> I'm saying it's a past action.
>> >
>> > Also isn't Climate camp TV going to appear below in the streams?
>> >
>> > Plus is there a way in the site design to promote little things beyond
>> the four priority items with a little link? Eg. it would be good to have a
>> link to Climate Camp Radio, maybe the Save Vestas blog, maybe the Ireland
>> Camp if it's happening etc. Almost like a 'Hotlinks' box which isn't
>> particularly structured but is a way to avoid having to have endless
>> discussions about why things that are happening at any given moment and are
>> interesting aren't more important than the four priority items...
>> >
>> > Sorry can't look back at it on my screen cos at work.
>> >
>> > J
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Leighton" <
>> j at jonathanleighton.com>
>> > To: <cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:56 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] The Great Climate Swoop
>> >
>> >
>> >> Send us the copy and images - the new site is being launched early next
>> >> week so we can make it a highlight on there.
>> >>
>> >> BTW, I am thinking we should do these four highlights initially - what
>> >> do people think?
>> >>
>> >> * Summer Swoop
>> >> * Climate Swoop
>> >> * ClimateCamp TV
>> >> * Post-Camp Gathering
>> >>
>> >> Jon
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 10:32 +0100, tim wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hiya,
>> >>>
>> >>> Any of you guys got any ideas on how we might incorporate promotion of
>> >>> the voting stages of the great climate swoop onto the website.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have copy and images that could be used. ?There are also facebook
>> >>> profiles being created as we speak that could be linked to.
>> >>>
>> >>> It would be good if this could have a prominent place, perhaps on the
>> >>> side bar, to replace the Scottish camps button?
>> >>>
>> >>> Let me know your thoughts and I'll send some graphics across.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers
>> >>>
>> >>> Tim
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:17:48 +0100
>> From: Jonathan Leighton <j at jonathanleighton.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] The Great Climate Swoop
>> To: cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org
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>> On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 12:40 +0100, Jonathan Stevenson wrote:
>> > Also isn't Climate camp TV going to appear below in the streams?
>>
>> I wasn't anticipating that, no - I'm not sure where it would fit and I
>> think the format of that area to stay fairly static.
>>
>> > Plus is there a way in the site design to promote little things beyond
>> the
>> > four priority items with a little link? Eg. it would be good to have a
>> link
>> > to Climate Camp Radio, maybe the Save Vestas blog, maybe the Ireland
>> Camp if
>> > it's happening etc. Almost like a 'Hotlinks' box which isn't
>> particularly
>> > structured but is a way to avoid having to have endless discussions
>> about
>> > why things that are happening at any given moment and are interesting
>> aren't
>> > more important than the four priority items...
>>
>> Not at the moment. I think we could add something like that in the feeds
>> area, but I think we should see how we go with the current format - I
>> imagine things will get promoted through blog posts,
>> new.climatecamp.org.uk posts, twitter, etc...
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:29:24 +0100
>> From: Jonathan Leighton <j at jonathanleighton.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] The Great Climate Swoop
>> To: cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org
>> Message-ID: <1250191764.2871.19.camel at tybalt>
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>>
>> On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 14:04 +0100, alistair alexander wrote:
>> > Main promo ? Swoop (swoop group)  (what?s the format in this one ?
>> > text plus two links?)
>>
>> Think it needs to be a balance of swooping and camping. There's no swoop
>> without a camp, so we need to tell people what the camp is too.
>>
>> > Promo 3 ? Copenhagen (international group)
>>
>> This one needs fleshing out. So far I know what Copenhagen is, but I've
>> no idea what the climate camp "strategy" on it is.
>>
>> > Promo 4 ? Video (Meedja)
>>
>> It sounds like there's not going to be video content til the actual
>> camp, so we shouldn't be promoting it until the actual camp. I'd say
>> when the camp comes along we should give video and radio each a slot.
>>
>> > We?ll also need 4 blog posts, 3 links in media circus, 3 press releases?
>>
>> Yeah, it is a worry that content may be a bit sparse to start with, but
>> I don't think we should just write content to fill space. I think we
>> should just start with one blog post - "Welcome to our new site!", and
>> try to get a new post in each day after that.
>>
>> Media Circus is currently being pulled from a Google News search of
>> "climate camp". Seems to work quite nicely. Twitter is also integrated.
>> BTW note that I haven't set up caching yet, so sometimes the home page
>> is a bit slow. Will definitely get to that before launch.
>>
>> Press releases should be just a case of getting a load of historical
>> ones from media - can someone sort this out please? I am going to
>> integrate it into the blog software so they can add press releases each
>> time as a new "blog post" (don't worry, it'll be separate from the
>> actual blog.)
>>
>> > Will Hyperactive be ready to feed the frontpage?
>>
>> It's already set up. I am hoping to integrate the main site CSS before
>> launch but may not have time. We could do with some content there but it
>> ought to be coming from people - any ideas? We could just accept that
>> it'll be sparse to start with.
>>
>> > And the latest tweet from twitter/facebook etc
>>
>> Already integrated.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:54:28 +0100
>> From: Neil <neil_bye at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] The Great Climate Swoop
>> To: cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org
>> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP12A58B7B0A65EF797BAABFE0050 at phx.gbl>
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>>
>> Hyperactive http://news.climatecamp.org.uk/pages/publish-page has been
>> broken for two days.
>> I've put some content up, hope it's OK
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:53:45 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: theinnercityhippy at riseup.net
>> Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] The Great Climate Swoop
>> To: cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org
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>> hi
>>
>> i.ve been at work for the last 3 days solid so haven't had any time free
>> at all. Will look into it this weekend and check out the logs. I know what
>> the error is saying so just need to check that noone putting up any of the
>> other sites on the server has changed the password or updated the git
>> repo. The stuff you posted should be fine provided we can retrieve the
>> password and dump the database.
>>
>> Thanks for letting us know
>>
>> jimdog
>>
>> > Hyperactive http://news.climatecamp.org.uk/pages/publish-page has been
>> > broken for two days.
>> > I've put some content up, hope it's OK
>> >
>> > Neil
>> >
>> >
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:39:02 +0100
>> From: Chris Kitchen <chriskitchen at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Cc-webedit] Fwd: [cc-international] Website
>> To: cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Bertie Russell <antistrata at riseup.net>
>> Date: 2009/8/13
>> Subject: [cc-international] Website
>> To: "cc-international at lists.riseup.net" <
>> cc-international at lists.riseup.net>
>> Cc: neil_bye at hotmail.com
>>
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> Amy and I are working on the website copy at the moment, and I have just
>> realised that quite a lot of it falls under our remit.
>> I presumed that we are in effect turning
>> http://climatecamp.org.uk/copenhagen into the fully developed resource?
>> With
>> dropdown tabs?
>> I just noticed that there is also this page, graced with it's own dropdown
>> in the working groups tab: http://climatecamp.org.uk/international
>>
>> So to be clear to everyone, I am NOT bottom-lining the latter link. I am
>> working on the premise that the former link is being turned into the
>> websites comprehensive resource on everything COP15 related.
>>
>> It is difficult, without know how the website is being restructured, to be
>> clear on how we should go about structuring our copy. For instance,
>> following the August camp, will the website become devoted to a) Mass
>> Action
>> and b) Copenhagen?
>> Will the Carbon Trading page still exist in it's own right?
>>
>> For now, we shall progress with producing the following:
>>
>> 1. Splash page  (prob just Chris' flyer)
>> 2. About COP15 (more in depth, perhaps what I wrote a couple of months
>> ago)
>> 3. Taking Action (a detailed account of what is happening in Copenhagnen,
>> why, and with who)
>> 4. Logistics (boring)
>> 5. Key Dates
>> 6. Resources (links, downloads, glossary)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bert
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