[Cc-webedit] [climatecampprocess] Re: text alert system for swoop

Sun Jul 12 12:30:40 BST 2009

it  seems that people are against convergence spaces and specific 
assembley points, which i totally understand.

but what do the people coming from outside london do, maybe we should 
set up a distributed system where people in london with a bit of floor 
space offer to host people coming from out of town?

i like the idea of suggested holding areas -e.g 'wait around victoria 
station' or whatever - personally i think we should decide these without 
any reference to the land group so choose a set of locations that can be 
accessable to the location wherever it is - i suggested 3 or 4 main 
railway stations, then the people who find themselves on the 'wrong' 
side of london can move very easily.

i'm also keen to make sure swoopers can find a job and get on with it as 
soon as possible, maybe we should include the types of jobs in our 
publicity, and links to a few simple 'how to' documents so people can 
start the process of learning?

James Holland

http://risingclevel.blogspot.com/

jono wrote:
> heya,
> i'm cc'ing welcome at climatecamp.org.uk -- no idea if that account exists
> or gets checked (i don't think swooping is illegal yet, but people who
> are concerned can just refrain from the discussion, and i've removed
> individual email addresses)
> 
> Could we have a meeting on the sunday of the gathering with spokes from
> each nbhd, some peeps from site, comms, social networking.  I think a
> big part of a successful swoop will be getting everyone welcomed and
> involved into getting the site up and running quickly.
> 
> Note that I thought the land group was fine with a public swoop as
> proposed&consented to a few months ago.  Can I suggest that land group
> be contacted to:
> - reaffirm whether they are down with the swoop
> - and if so, give us any info they think we need to publicise e.g.
> timing info and (if advisable) area info (probably not holding points,
> but perhaps a few rough holding areas and times, and perhaps the rough
> area info only gets released a day or two before)
> - whether comms is up for it, re-launching the webpage for txt-alerts
> 
> also, can i suggest that something like the following gets emailed out
> to the CC elist by process on Monday (to start people thinking, hype the
> start of the camp, the gathering etc.).
> 
> ===
> Subject: Swooping into the Camp for Climate Action!
> 
> At this weekends gathering we will be planning how we will take the site
> on August 27th for the opening of the camp for climate action in London.
> Most likely, we will all be swooping in together and at the same time.
> It promises to be an exciting and massive land occupation!  If they
> haven't already done so, we strongly urge neighbourhoods to begin
> thinking about mobilising for August 27th, and being ready to set up
> their neighbourhood site quickly.  There will be space at the gathering
> for spokes from each neighbourhoods to discuss the proposed swoop.
> 
> We will also be discussing the big coal action in the autumn and the
> workshop programme for the camp.  There's already £400 in the travel
> pool upfront, to help non-Londoners get to the gathering.  For details
> see:  http://www.climatecamp.org.uk/gatherings
> 
> Love,
> Process
> 
> alistair alexander wrote:
>> i kinda think this discussion is straying into territory where email
>> should probably be avoided.this is for quite important legal as well
>> as security reasons.
>>
>> richly ironic, i know, when discussing a techno coms group - but there we are.
>>
>> ali
>>
>> 2009/7/9 james holland <james at dogmanet.org>:
>>> yep, this message was just to make sure we're ready to go when the time
>>> comes
>>>
>>> although the swoop is already out there in the main flyer and on the front
>>> page of the website:
>>>
>>> "This year we will set up the camp together, with a mass swoop of people
>>> taking the site. Get down to London on the day before camp on 26 August and
>>> be ready for the action to start at any time. Join us on facebook and sign
>>> up to twitter and text updates to make sure you stay informed about plans."
>>>> Is there a swoop technology/comms group ?
>>> i kind of think the people who know about this stuff are probably to remain
>>> secret as they are necesarily close to or part of the land group, i just
>>> think we need need to know that they are in place.
>>>
>>> maybe we need a swoop group though, that includes people from all the
>>> interested groups - what do process people think?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Anna <rudderism at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Wiggly hands to that. As far as i understand we are still awaiting
>>>> confirmation from the land group that a swoop is feasible ?
>>>>
>>>> Until we have the word from them it seems unwise to actually start
>>>> communicating with folk. However is a great idea to make sure we have the
>>>> technology in place and a clear group of people who are responsible for
>>>> making it work. This group needs to have a clear mandate from
>>>> gathering/networking about what can and can't be said via this medium...
>>>> afore we loose what little radical political messaging we have left !
>>>>
>>>> Is there a swoop technology/comms group ?
>>>>
>>>> xx
>>>> --- On Thu, 9/7/09, Ben Palmer <palmer-san at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Ben Palmer <palmer-san at hotmail.co.uk>
>>>> Subject: RE: [climatecampprocess] text alert system for swoop
>>>> To: "CC James" <james at dogmanet.org>, gringoben at gmail.com,
>>>> cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org, "CC Process list"
>>>> <climatecampprocess at lists.riseup.net>, site at climatecamp.org.uk
>>>> Date: Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 12:40 PM
>>>>
>>>> Some concerns from me here,
>>>>
>>>> we really need to discuss the swoop and how it happens as a whole group,
>>>> here are all the swoop decisions that have been made so far:
>>>>
>>>> -Immediately following the traditional closed group site take there will
>>>> be a public swoop to the site.
>>>> This will be part of the narrative and pre-publicity advertising the
>>>> convergence. This is subject to land
>>>> group concerns and capacity. CONSENSUS REACHED
>>>> -Camp will begin on Thursday 27th and to end on Wednesday the 2nd.This
>>>> includes a day at each end
>>>> for week for the public to be involved in setup and tat down. CONSENSUS
>>>> REACHED
>>>>
>>>> as the site group is currently looking at practicalities of setting the
>>>> site up in a day, and the land group are assessing swoop concerns and
>>>> doability too, i am reticent to just go ahead and start up a text service,
>>>> especially given some of the major mis messaging coming out of texts and
>>>> twitter in the past.
>>>>
>>>> by all means lay the groundwork, but as this is a part of our
>>>> communication with the public, i'd be happier if it was agreed at a national
>>>> gathering before empowering a small group to get on with it.
>>>>
>>>> righty then, sorry to be critical, just trying to ensure we don't rush in
>>>> headfirst without involving people in process first...
>>>>
>>>> ben :)
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:07:06 +0100
>>>>> From: james at dogmanet.org
>>>>> To: gringoben at gmail.com; cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org;
>>>>> climatecampprocess at lists.riseup.net; site at climatecamp.org.uk
>>>>> Subject: [climatecampprocess] text alert system for swoop
>>>>>
>>>>> can someone send messages to the text alert system from April 1st, that
>>>>> will be in the right place to send a message to it on aug 27?
>>>>>
>>>>> can we include the sign up for it or a link to it on the front page of
>>>>> the website?
>>>>>
>>>>> (i am drafting text explaining the swoop and the text service on the
>>>>> networking list, and this will be with the web group soon)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> James Holland
>>>>>
>>>>> http://risingclevel.blogspot.com/
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