[Cc-webedit] [Cc-site] [climatecampprocess] Re: text alert system for swoop

Sun Jul 12 17:38:16 BST 2009

Hi All,

I have tried to incorporate all the suggestions we have had on the site
list in one place.  I made it into a timeline thing, I find it useful,
maybe you will find it useful.

As the meeting is coming up, I added notes where I thought there was
something that needed a decision.

On the recent issues which have come up:
Convergence/Crash space - we do need crash space so that could be a sort
of convergence space.  My hunch is we limit converging to only where it
is really necessary, so with railway stations, I think people can just
get themselves a map and get on a train and not loiter around train
stations trying to coordinate things and looking well suspicious.  This
needs a bit more discussion.

Outward Comms between now and then - that needs a bit more planning.
from what goes on the website, to who looks after the text updates,
whether to have a phone update number.  I'm into going to neighbourhoods
and talking to them personally.

Swooping Participant coordination: I have banged on about colour coding
people to help them find jobs in my timeline.  Some structure and system
for giving people a nice clear idea where to go, who to volunteer
themselves to will really help.  If not colour then something which
needs deciding on.

All night caff/bag drop space - sounds great, people will loose bags
though, I mean unless we start handing out cloakroom tickets (which is
an idea??).

Cara

On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 12:30 +0100, james holland wrote:
> it  seems that people are against convergence spaces and specific 
> assembley points, which i totally understand.
> 
> but what do the people coming from outside london do, maybe we should 
> set up a distributed system where people in london with a bit of floor 
> space offer to host people coming from out of town?
> 
> i like the idea of suggested holding areas -e.g 'wait around victoria 
> station' or whatever - personally i think we should decide these without 
> any reference to the land group so choose a set of locations that can be 
> accessable to the location wherever it is - i suggested 3 or 4 main 
> railway stations, then the people who find themselves on the 'wrong' 
> side of london can move very easily.
> 
> i'm also keen to make sure swoopers can find a job and get on with it as 
> soon as possible, maybe we should include the types of jobs in our 
> publicity, and links to a few simple 'how to' documents so people can 
> start the process of learning?
> 
> 
> James Holland
> 
> http://risingclevel.blogspot.com/
> 
> jono wrote:
> > heya,
> > i'm cc'ing welcome at climatecamp.org.uk -- no idea if that account exists
> > or gets checked (i don't think swooping is illegal yet, but people who
> > are concerned can just refrain from the discussion, and i've removed
> > individual email addresses)
> > 
> > Could we have a meeting on the sunday of the gathering with spokes from
> > each nbhd, some peeps from site, comms, social networking.  I think a
> > big part of a successful swoop will be getting everyone welcomed and
> > involved into getting the site up and running quickly.
> > 
> > Note that I thought the land group was fine with a public swoop as
> > proposed&consented to a few months ago.  Can I suggest that land group
> > be contacted to:
> > - reaffirm whether they are down with the swoop
> > - and if so, give us any info they think we need to publicise e.g.
> > timing info and (if advisable) area info (probably not holding points,
> > but perhaps a few rough holding areas and times, and perhaps the rough
> > area info only gets released a day or two before)
> > - whether comms is up for it, re-launching the webpage for txt-alerts
> > 
> > also, can i suggest that something like the following gets emailed out
> > to the CC elist by process on Monday (to start people thinking, hype the
> > start of the camp, the gathering etc.).
> > 
> > ===
> > Subject: Swooping into the Camp for Climate Action!
> > 
> > At this weekends gathering we will be planning how we will take the site
> > on August 27th for the opening of the camp for climate action in London.
> > Most likely, we will all be swooping in together and at the same time.
> > It promises to be an exciting and massive land occupation!  If they
> > haven't already done so, we strongly urge neighbourhoods to begin
> > thinking about mobilising for August 27th, and being ready to set up
> > their neighbourhood site quickly.  There will be space at the gathering
> > for spokes from each neighbourhoods to discuss the proposed swoop.
> > 
> > We will also be discussing the big coal action in the autumn and the
> > workshop programme for the camp.  There's already £400 in the travel
> > pool upfront, to help non-Londoners get to the gathering.  For details
> > see:  http://www.climatecamp.org.uk/gatherings
> > 
> > Love,
> > Process
> > 
> > alistair alexander wrote:
> >> i kinda think this discussion is straying into territory where email
> >> should probably be avoided.this is for quite important legal as well
> >> as security reasons.
> >>
> >> richly ironic, i know, when discussing a techno coms group - but there we are.
> >>
> >> ali
> >>
> >> 2009/7/9 james holland <james at dogmanet.org>:
> >>> yep, this message was just to make sure we're ready to go when the time
> >>> comes
> >>>
> >>> although the swoop is already out there in the main flyer and on the front
> >>> page of the website:
> >>>
> >>> "This year we will set up the camp together, with a mass swoop of people
> >>> taking the site. Get down to London on the day before camp on 26 August and
> >>> be ready for the action to start at any time. Join us on facebook and sign
> >>> up to twitter and text updates to make sure you stay informed about plans."
> >>>> Is there a swoop technology/comms group ?
> >>> i kind of think the people who know about this stuff are probably to remain
> >>> secret as they are necesarily close to or part of the land group, i just
> >>> think we need need to know that they are in place.
> >>>
> >>> maybe we need a swoop group though, that includes people from all the
> >>> interested groups - what do process people think?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Anna <rudderism at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>> Wiggly hands to that. As far as i understand we are still awaiting
> >>>> confirmation from the land group that a swoop is feasible ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Until we have the word from them it seems unwise to actually start
> >>>> communicating with folk. However is a great idea to make sure we have the
> >>>> technology in place and a clear group of people who are responsible for
> >>>> making it work. This group needs to have a clear mandate from
> >>>> gathering/networking about what can and can't be said via this medium...
> >>>> afore we loose what little radical political messaging we have left !
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there a swoop technology/comms group ?
> >>>>
> >>>> xx
> >>>> --- On Thu, 9/7/09, Ben Palmer <palmer-san at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Ben Palmer <palmer-san at hotmail.co.uk>
> >>>> Subject: RE: [climatecampprocess] text alert system for swoop
> >>>> To: "CC James" <james at dogmanet.org>, gringoben at gmail.com,
> >>>> cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org, "CC Process list"
> >>>> <climatecampprocess at lists.riseup.net>, site at climatecamp.org.uk
> >>>> Date: Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 12:40 PM
> >>>>
> >>>> Some concerns from me here,
> >>>>
> >>>> we really need to discuss the swoop and how it happens as a whole group,
> >>>> here are all the swoop decisions that have been made so far:
> >>>>
> >>>> -Immediately following the traditional closed group site take there will
> >>>> be a public swoop to the site.
> >>>> This will be part of the narrative and pre-publicity advertising the
> >>>> convergence. This is subject to land
> >>>> group concerns and capacity. CONSENSUS REACHED
> >>>> -Camp will begin on Thursday 27th and to end on Wednesday the 2nd.This
> >>>> includes a day at each end
> >>>> for week for the public to be involved in setup and tat down. CONSENSUS
> >>>> REACHED
> >>>>
> >>>> as the site group is currently looking at practicalities of setting the
> >>>> site up in a day, and the land group are assessing swoop concerns and
> >>>> doability too, i am reticent to just go ahead and start up a text service,
> >>>> especially given some of the major mis messaging coming out of texts and
> >>>> twitter in the past.
> >>>>
> >>>> by all means lay the groundwork, but as this is a part of our
> >>>> communication with the public, i'd be happier if it was agreed at a national
> >>>> gathering before empowering a small group to get on with it.
> >>>>
> >>>> righty then, sorry to be critical, just trying to ensure we don't rush in
> >>>> headfirst without involving people in process first...
> >>>>
> >>>> ben :)
> >>>>
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:07:06 +0100
> >>>>> From: james at dogmanet.org
> >>>>> To: gringoben at gmail.com; cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org;
> >>>>> climatecampprocess at lists.riseup.net; site at climatecamp.org.uk
> >>>>> Subject: [climatecampprocess] text alert system for swoop
> >>>>>
> >>>>> can someone send messages to the text alert system from April 1st, that
> >>>>> will be in the right place to send a message to it on aug 27?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> can we include the sign up for it or a link to it on the front page of
> >>>>> the website?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (i am drafting text explaining the swoop and the text service on the
> >>>>> networking list, and this will be with the web group soon)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> James Holland
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://risingclevel.blogspot.com/
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