[Cc-webedit] swoop map
Carl van Tonder
carl at supervacuo.com
Tue Sep 29 16:08:53 BST 2009
That said (and fair point), why Google over OSM or similar? There was a
concern raised recently on the list about promoting corporate interests
(Facebook and Twitter) through the website, and the (understandably)
pragmatic answer was "to reach as many people as possible". I don't see
an outreach/networking/integration benefit to using Google maps, though
I'm happy to hear reasons why I'm wrong.
Carl.
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 13:38 +0100, Jon Leighton wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> For what it's worth, I think the benefit of doing this with Google maps
> outweighs the risk. The whole swoop thing is being done very very
> publicly, and I don't think looking at a map for a public event is
> sufficient evidence to prosecute somebody. Even if they somehow got hold
> of the IPs, they'd have to prove that the relevant individual was
> physically sitting in front of the computer with that IP address.
>
> Basically, I think doing it in a way whereby IPs aren't logged would be
> nice, but it looks like that isn't possible, and I think we should just
> do it anyway.
>
> Understand this is controversial - maybe we can have a chat about this
> specifically and security provisions in general at the gathering.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>
> On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 12:15 +0100, david at vannen.com wrote:
> > Hosting the map on our own server is outside my knowledge, and unlikely to
> > be inside my knowledge in the timeframe, so I'll have to bow out.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carl van Tonder" <carl at supervacuo.com>
> > To: <david at vannen.com>; <cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] swoop map
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > My personal preference would be for openstreetmap (or NASA's satellite
> > images) through OpenLayers due to the proprietary nature of Google as a
> > service.
> >
> > Sadly, both Google and OpenLayers have the same problem - requests for map
> > images of any line are (fairly sensibly from a performance point of view)
> > all made through Javascript - i.e. directly to the map provider. This means
> > that we have no control over access logs. One way around this would be to
> > host our own map image (either Google's or someone else's) and serve it
> > ourselves, accessing it through OpenLayers. A custom map layer like this is
> > definitely possible, and would probably address our security issues,
> > although I'm afraid that having suggested this I don't myself have time to
> > do this early enough so as to be useful for the Swoop.
> >
> > It's not that much work (or technically complex) though, and _could_ be less
> > work than an illustrated map.
> >
> > Hope this makes some sort of sense.
> >
> > Coal and riots,
> > Carl
> >
> > -original message-
> > Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] swoop map
> > From: <david at vannen.com>
> > Date: 29/09/2009 5:31 am
> >
> > <Ah, oops, that was a mis-type, didn't mean to send as-is.>
> >
> > Is there another service we can use, given the time frame?
> >
> > Is there a way of using Google maps without disclosing IP addesses, etc?
> > Perhaps a way of Onion-Routing the map?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <david at vannen.com>
> > To: <cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] swoop map
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I trust Jim Dog's judgemet re. security issues. Hence, as nice as I
> > > believe a Google map may be, I can't go ahead if he thinks it's a risk.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net>
> > > To: <cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] swoop map
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> keep in mind that we need to host the map on our own server, ideally only
> > >> accessible with an ssl connection and we need to avoid storing any cookie
> > >> info from the users of this page.
> > >>
> > >> An external service like google maps really isn't suitable for this
> > >> unless the map request is rerouted as coming from our server as we run
> > >> the risk of users being identified by ip and winding up with so called
> > >> evidence of conspiricy which we need to guard against. Remember, people
> > >> need to trust that we have thought of this and are taking steps to
> > >> minimise the risk or it could backfire badly.
> > >>
> > >> If the maps are stored and accessed from our server, we have the removeip
> > >> apache mod running so it will look like all the requests have come from
> > >> the localhost in the unlikely event of these application logs being
> > >> seized
> > >> (though ideally they should be pointed at /dev/null )
> > >>
> > >> feel free to message me off list if you need more advice
> > >>
> > >> solidarity
> > >>
> > >> jimdog
> > >>
> > >>> Sounds great David, go for it.
> > >>>
> > >>> I look forward to seeing the results :)
> > >>>
> > >>> Jon
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sun, 2009-09-27 at 21:01 +0100, david at vannen.com wrote:
> > >>>> Unless somebody who's really in touch with with Google Maps would
> > >>>> rather do it, I can take this on, and have it done by Tuesday eve. the
> > >>>> basic map is a quick job, the overlays a bit longer.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I agree about the need for a printable map.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> DV
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: Alistair Alexander
> > >>>> To: cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org
> > >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 8:39 PM
> > >>>> Subject: [Cc-webedit] swoop map
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There's been a request for an interactive map of the Swoop to
> > >>>> be put online.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My understanding is that it would need to be more than a
> > >>>> google map and would need to show:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> * Ratcliffe and surrounding area
> > >>>> * Bloc starting points with big arrows showing suggested
> > >>>> routes
> > >>>> * Mouseover boxes detailing points of interest
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In the time available, it seems like a pretty tall order - do
> > >>>> we know any web designer who might be able to do this (very
> > >>>> quickly)?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'd suggest we also need a PDF map for printing out.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Alistair
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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