[HacktionLab] Peace news camp advice

Mon Jun 3 17:04:46 UTC 2013

On 3 June 2013 17:49, U <us2cool at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Just in case you were interested in this -- we have decided to opt for the
> use of the 'Veracity Outreach Max' which allows you to extend ethernet up
> to 200m a pop. I'll couple this with outdoor cat5e.
>
> I spoke to a company that sells wireless network equipment and they said
> unless you have line of sight with the wireless extenders (ubiquiti
> nanostations) then don't bother. They were pretty genuine considering they
> don't even sell the ethernet extender they recommended.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:14 AM, U <us2cool at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey
>>
>> Thanks for your all your advice. It sounds like we should be okay with
>> the 3G (maybe even 4G) option as a backup whilst primarily using a long
>> ethernet cable for the event. We'll mostly be using it to invite speakers
>> via video-conferencing and probably won't offer WiFi to participants.
>>
>> Will definitely keep the wireless options in mind too.
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Andy S <andys at bristolwireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 May 2013 21:00, gzikskud <gzikskud at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> long ethernet can be an issue, and yes depending on the weather you
>>>> will need to do something about the cable, also the maximum length of the
>>>> cable according to the book is 100 meters. If that is within reach you need
>>>> to think how you are going to run the cable, and stop people stamping all
>>>> over it, tripping over etc..
>>>>
>>>> Something to consider is that some ISP's can be a bit iffy about
>>>> sharing connections, and so if your event is likely to generate interest
>>>> then you may find the ISP is pressured into doing something…
>>>>
>>>> So I would plan on both options. get an unlocked 3G dongle and a
>>>> section of sims (giffgaff, 3, etc.) and confirm which one gives you the
>>>> best coverage before buying top ups.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6 May 2013, at 18:00, U wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hey
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks so much for your offer. We spoke to the owners of the house
>>>> nearby and they've said we can use their broadband. I'm thinking the
>>>> easiest / most logical thing would be to run an (long) ethernet cable into
>>>> the field. Do you know if there would be any issues with this, would it
>>>> need weatherproofing? Plastic piping? It's only for a few days.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> > Usayd
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Jim Dog <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Hey
>>>> >
>>>> > Tagging onto the broadband line is generally going to be best (wired
>>>> if possible) but if you end up going down the 3g route, we have a 3g Yagi
>>>> antenna (a bit like a tv antenna) in Bradford that I'm sure you could use.
>>>> >
>>>> > It attaches onto a 3g dongle and when aimed at the nearest mobile
>>>> antenna, boosts the signal.
>>>> >
>>>> > JD
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Reply message -----
>>>> > From: "U" <us2cool at gmail.com>
>>>> > To: <hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org>
>>>> > Subject: [HacktionLab] Peace news camp advice
>>>> > Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 13:01
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Hey all
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm helping to organise the Peace news summer camp (which you should
>>>> check out :)) and I thought i'd ask if you guys could give me some tips.
>>>> >
>>>> > We are camping out in a field in 'Diss' near Norfolk. We might be
>>>> able to get access to a broadband line from a nearby B&B otherwise we might
>>>> have to use 3G or something else.
>>>> >
>>>> > Does anyone have advice on:
>>>> >
>>>> > a) How best to bring broadband into a field from a nearby house (i.e.
>>>> wireless repeaters, ethernet etc)
>>>> >
>>>> > b) What to do if we can't get a hard line, are there any good
>>>> solutions for boosting 3G signals, would 4G suffice for video conferencing?
>>>> >
>>>> > Really appreciate any advice and if you have any questions about the
>>>> event feel free to ask :)
>>>> >
>>>> > Much appreciated
>>>> > Usayd
>>>> >
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>>>
>>>
>>> As mentioned above, the easiest is hooking into nearby broadband, which
>>> is what we do each year at Barn Camp without issue, and yes, ~100m is the
>>> limit before needing a switch (acting as a powered powered booster) and
>>> you'd need to be careful about the routing of the cable, ideally use
>>> outdoor Cat5 which is a bit tougher (although we haven't needed to for a
>>> short term event).
>>>
>>> Using a wireless link as an alternative is also feasible (if there is
>>> line of sight) and there is plenty of kit to do the job, both new or hacked:
>>>
>>> If you have budget; we have used Ubiquiti devices (Nanostation and
>>> similar) to create a link to remote location or, if there is less budget
>>> and you have someone fairly tech savvy, you could flash a pair of Linksys
>>> WRT54g routers with Gargoyle Router or OpenWRT and configure as a wireless
>>> bridge.
>>>
>>> Using 3g networks as primary connection is doable, but very dependant on
>>> signal in the area and usage, there are specific 'Mifi' devices you can
>>> plug a SIM into and away you go, or alternatively you could try an ad-hoc
>>> wireless 'mesh' using software such as Open-Garden (opengarden.com)
>>> which can connect an internet connected computer (could simply be tethered
>>> to 3g) to share the connection wirelessly via mesh with nearby devices.
>>>
>>> Of course any of these ideas soon fall apart when someone tries to
>>> download a film using Bit Torrent or stream TV etc. so you should be clear
>>> about acceptable use at the event, you will find that with sensible usage
>>> the bandwidth consumed can be surprisingly low and not necessarily likely
>>> to attract unwanted attention, of course will depend on the supplier..
>>>
>>> A
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>
Interesting stuff, thanks for the update, will check it out.

A

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