[HacktionLab] Peace news camp advice

Fri Jun 21 14:20:31 UTC 2013

Hi all

Another question on the same event: Do you know any good people from whom
we can obtain renewable energy for the event? Our usual source is
unavailable.

Thanks
Usayd

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Andy S <andys at bristolwireless.net> wrote:

>
> On 3 June 2013 17:49, U <us2cool at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Just in case you were interested in this -- we have decided to opt for
>> the use of the 'Veracity Outreach Max' which allows you to extend ethernet
>> up to 200m a pop. I'll couple this with outdoor cat5e.
>>
>> I spoke to a company that sells wireless network equipment and they said
>> unless you have line of sight with the wireless extenders (ubiquiti
>> nanostations) then don't bother. They were pretty genuine considering they
>> don't even sell the ethernet extender they recommended.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:14 AM, U <us2cool at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey
>>>
>>> Thanks for your all your advice. It sounds like we should be okay with
>>> the 3G (maybe even 4G) option as a backup whilst primarily using a long
>>> ethernet cable for the event. We'll mostly be using it to invite speakers
>>> via video-conferencing and probably won't offer WiFi to participants.
>>>
>>> Will definitely keep the wireless options in mind too.
>>>
>>> Thanks again
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Andy S <andys at bristolwireless.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6 May 2013 21:00, gzikskud <gzikskud at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> long ethernet can be an issue, and yes depending on the weather you
>>>>> will need to do something about the cable, also the maximum length of the
>>>>> cable according to the book is 100 meters. If that is within reach you need
>>>>> to think how you are going to run the cable, and stop people stamping all
>>>>> over it, tripping over etc..
>>>>>
>>>>> Something to consider is that some ISP's can be a bit iffy about
>>>>> sharing connections, and so if your event is likely to generate interest
>>>>> then you may find the ISP is pressured into doing something…
>>>>>
>>>>> So I would plan on both options. get an unlocked 3G dongle and a
>>>>> section of sims (giffgaff, 3, etc.) and confirm which one gives you the
>>>>> best coverage before buying top ups.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6 May 2013, at 18:00, U wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hey
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks so much for your offer. We spoke to the owners of the house
>>>>> nearby and they've said we can use their broadband. I'm thinking the
>>>>> easiest / most logical thing would be to run an (long) ethernet cable into
>>>>> the field. Do you know if there would be any issues with this, would it
>>>>> need weatherproofing? Plastic piping? It's only for a few days.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks
>>>>> > Usayd
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Jim Dog <
>>>>> theinnercityhippy at riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>> > Hey
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Tagging onto the broadband line is generally going to be best (wired
>>>>> if possible) but if you end up going down the 3g route, we have a 3g Yagi
>>>>> antenna (a bit like a tv antenna) in Bradford that I'm sure you could use.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It attaches onto a 3g dongle and when aimed at the nearest mobile
>>>>> antenna, boosts the signal.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > JD
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ----- Reply message -----
>>>>> > From: "U" <us2cool at gmail.com>
>>>>> > To: <hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org>
>>>>> > Subject: [HacktionLab] Peace news camp advice
>>>>> > Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 13:01
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hey all
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'm helping to organise the Peace news summer camp (which you should
>>>>> check out :)) and I thought i'd ask if you guys could give me some tips.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We are camping out in a field in 'Diss' near Norfolk. We might be
>>>>> able to get access to a broadband line from a nearby B&B otherwise we might
>>>>> have to use 3G or something else.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Does anyone have advice on:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > a) How best to bring broadband into a field from a nearby house
>>>>> (i.e. wireless repeaters, ethernet etc)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > b) What to do if we can't get a hard line, are there any good
>>>>> solutions for boosting 3G signals, would 4G suffice for video conferencing?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Really appreciate any advice and if you have any questions about the
>>>>> event feel free to ask :)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Much appreciated
>>>>> > Usayd
>>>>> >
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As mentioned above, the easiest is hooking into nearby broadband, which
>>>> is what we do each year at Barn Camp without issue, and yes, ~100m is the
>>>> limit before needing a switch (acting as a powered powered booster) and
>>>> you'd need to be careful about the routing of the cable, ideally use
>>>> outdoor Cat5 which is a bit tougher (although we haven't needed to for a
>>>> short term event).
>>>>
>>>> Using a wireless link as an alternative is also feasible (if there is
>>>> line of sight) and there is plenty of kit to do the job, both new or hacked:
>>>>
>>>> If you have budget; we have used Ubiquiti devices (Nanostation and
>>>> similar) to create a link to remote location or, if there is less budget
>>>> and you have someone fairly tech savvy, you could flash a pair of Linksys
>>>> WRT54g routers with Gargoyle Router or OpenWRT and configure as a wireless
>>>> bridge.
>>>>
>>>> Using 3g networks as primary connection is doable, but very dependant
>>>> on signal in the area and usage, there are specific 'Mifi' devices you can
>>>> plug a SIM into and away you go, or alternatively you could try an ad-hoc
>>>> wireless 'mesh' using software such as Open-Garden (opengarden.com)
>>>> which can connect an internet connected computer (could simply be tethered
>>>> to 3g) to share the connection wirelessly via mesh with nearby devices.
>>>>
>>>> Of course any of these ideas soon fall apart when someone tries to
>>>> download a film using Bit Torrent or stream TV etc. so you should be clear
>>>> about acceptable use at the event, you will find that with sensible usage
>>>> the bandwidth consumed can be surprisingly low and not necessarily likely
>>>> to attract unwanted attention, of course will depend on the supplier..
>>>>
>>>> A
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> Interesting stuff, thanks for the update, will check it out.
>
> A
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