[HacktionLab] Calculations from non-participation
Yo
nowisthetime at riseup.net
Sun Dec 21 16:03:09 UTC 2014
Hello consumers :)
Can anyone estimate how much money I avoided generating Google after
stopping to use Google & UTube on my computer for 1 month?
I can see we all might measure project successes differently (I saw the
recent posts and understand people are faced with needing money and
therefore perhaps inherently compromised/settle for less) so I've opted
for cutting off the proverbial abuser at the pass/connection wire but
gradually banning corporate servers from my connection! And with you
help I can show how this will work and is scalable with the maths :)
if you want to ban corporate sites/trackers/linker (similar to not
entering name brand shops) then think about blocking what THEY need
(YOUR BANDWIDTH CONNECTION).
BAN/BLOCK via hosts file: (https://network23.org/freeschool/stopit/)
BlockSite plugin (easy install):
(http://network23.org/freeschool/wp-content/blogs.dir/148/files/2014/11/Block-Website+Steps-300x82.gif)
I think a lot of our causes have an easy Achilles heal. We simply do not
know the maths, can't see how much we earn other people (apart from 3/4
million for Youtube/Google every quarter perhaps), and all those things
kept under tight wraps which need die-hard concentrated efforts to
achieve numbers for convincing ourselves or others... or simply cutting
it's fucking head off at this end of the cable.
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> 1. Re: [zylum at peacenews.info: Involving indy.im in Zylum/Weaving
> Our Own Web] (bou at aktivix.org)
> 2. Re: [zylum at peacenews.info: Involving indy.im in Zylum/Weaving
> Our Own Web] (Mick Clearerchannel)
> 3. Re: [zylum at peacenews.info: Involving indy.im in Zylum/Weaving
> Our Own Web] (Mike Harris)
> 4. Re: [zylum at peacenews.info: Involving indy.im in Zylum/Weaving
> Our Own Web] (Mick Clearerchannel)
> 5. Re: [zylum at peacenews.info: Involving indy.im in Zylum/Weaving
> Our Own Web] (Alan Dawson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 14:27:25 +0000
> From: bou at aktivix.org
> To: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Cc: zylum at peacenews.info
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] [zylum at peacenews.info: Involving indy.im in
> Zylum/Weaving Our Own Web]
> Message-ID: <20141220142725.Horde.-VjmXydl6odYJaQopWosCQ9 at aktivix.org>
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> Hi
>
> aktivix and other groups have been working on federation, anonymity
> and encryption for so long this 'new' project sounds like a new comer
> reinventing the wheel.
>
> aktivix.org may be a good starting point as to what networks are
> already set in place, from there you should get to the tech tools for
> activism page (otherwise googling it it should appear the 1st, 2nd
> option?)
>
> Upon reading your email I note that your hosting provider is a private
> commercial entity.
>
> b.
> 1 of aktivix & n23
>
>
> Quoting indy.im at aktivix.org:
>
>> As received from another channel, this may be of interest to those on
>> this list.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> indy.im
>
> Dear indy.im,
> Many thanks for your response and feel free to forward this
> email to anyone if you see that as useful.
>
> You will be pleased to hear that one of the opportunities at our event
> on 10th Jan. will indeed be for discussion about the federated, and
> open web. If you have an idea for a workshop or a debate which you
> would like to host. it is not too late to give you a slot in the
> programme. If you are interested, I can also share the draft programme
> with you, so that you can see what is already being offered. I would
> love to involve you in the event and in the testing phase for the
> online tools (which will begin in the middle of next week). Do let me
> know if you would like to take up these opportunities?
>
> You are right that development has been funded (by Rowntree).
> Unfortunately, I was only introduced to Zylum very late (just over a
> month ago). Had I been involved around two years ago when many of the
> ideas which lead to Zylum were first mooted, the project as a whole
> might look very different. However, it is now my job to make the best
> of where we are. That will mean moving from the cathedral to the
> bazaar, but as a first step I need to drag the Zylum project out into
> the daylight, that may take a little while, as it is quite a heavy
> beast to manoeuvre.
>
> As to your specific questions about anonymity, encryption and logs.
> These are issues on which I am myself seeking clarification. I need to
> speak with both the developer who has implemented the server side code
> http://www.wave.coop/ and the hosting provider
> http://www.greennet.org.uk/ We aim to keep as little personal data as
> possible about our users. Whatever the answers are, we shall be
> entirely open about what data we do and do not keep and all this will
> be explained in the help/about pages of http://www.zulum.org/
>
> I would love to have you and other Hactivists look at the code as well
> as the front end product as soon as it is released. Peace News plans
> to release the code under a free software license, so if people like
> bits of it but not all of it they will be free to cannibalise.
> Equally, if people like the product but not the Peace News brand,
> there will be the option to install and run the same service
> elsewhere. If you are asking precisely which free software license we
> shall use, that is something for Wave to confirm. I visualise it being
> similar to the way Firefox is licensed. Mozilla foundation owns the
> name Firefox, so other developers cannot use that, but the code itself
> is free (hence iceweasel). Peace News will assert ownership of the
> name Zylum but the rest will be open to everyone.
>
> You ask about maintenance over years or decades. This a challenge
> which we do not presume to have answered yet. If techie folk do not
> like Zylum, it could die. I hope that it will be maintained and that
> it will evolve, but that will only happen with the support of a user
> base.
>
> I agree that software is not a static thing which is complete once it
> is released. Any release is simply a milestone. Without the support of
> many people, Zylum will be a cul de sac and people will simply find
> alternative tools which suit their needs better. Only time will tell,
> but I believe that Zylum could be a useful service providing non
> techies' with an alternative to placing everything about their
> campaign on F***book. Ideally, it should be a jumping off point for
> those people to discover other free software and non-corporate corners
> of the web. That will only happen if people involved in groups such as
> indy.im use Zylum as an opportunity to reach out to a constituency
> which might otherwise never discover their work.
>
> I look forward in hope of a fruitful ongoing conversation,
> Benjamin.
>
>
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> From: indy.im at aktivix.org
> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:46:16 +0000
> Subject: Re: Weaving Our Own Web - Digital Tools For Activists Event
> Sat. 10 Jan. 2015
> To: Benjamin <benjamindiss at googlemail.com>
>
> Hi Benjamin,
> it's great that Peace News is taking steps to encourage users to
> move away from corporate social network farms, where the users are
> the product of the application.
>
> It'd be great to have some discussion about the federated, and open web,
> how we can move away from information silos returning to a peer based
> network, and how people can take control of their data and
> communications and self host.
>
> We have some concerns on the nature of Zylum application that you have
> had developed.
>
> It appears that Peace News has received a grant to develop a software
> artefact, that may be useful to many different organising groups, that
> may have different requirements and needs to Peace News. For example
> perhaps some direct antifacist organisers may find it useful, but may
> not want to use the peace news installation for various reasons.
>
> How will we know that the Peace News application maintains its users
> anonymity. Will you manage your own servers. Will you encrypt the hard
> drives so they cannot be accessed if copied. Will you log the connection
> details of users. Will you respond to police requests for access ?
>
> What licenses will the software be released under ? How easy will it be
> for other groups to deploy it in autonomous ways. How can we contribute
> to it, improve it, customise it to better fit our environments ?
>
> Software artefacts are not static objects. The components that are used
> to build them change over time. How will you maintain it over decades
> of use (as some of has have been maintaining software applications for
> activists for decades. ) ?
>
> Building software artefacts is best done as a bazaar, with transparent
> process, releasing often and openly, allowing and encouraging all to
> contribute. This project appears on the surface to much more top down
> and cathedral in nature.
>
> Regards,
> indy.im at aktivix.org
>
>
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> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 03:16:34PM +0000, Benjamin <... at googlemail.com> wrote:
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> Dear Microblog Administrator(s),
> Peace News http://peacenews.info are developing a suite of
> online tools to be called Zylum. Partly to launch this set of tools
> and partly just to get people together to talk about tech' in
> campaigning - We are organising a free day-school of workshops to be
> hosted in London.
>
> http://peacenews.info/node/7821/weaving-our-own-web
>
> As independent media practitioners we have been very inspired by
> indy.im so we would love to invite the people behind it to address our
> gathering.
>
> At the moment I am trying to finalise a list of invitees and decide
> which workshops to have people deliver.
> ---- Message history cropped ----
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>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:07:08 +0000
> From: Mick Clearerchannel <mickfuzz at clearerchannel.org>
> To: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] [zylum at peacenews.info: Involving indy.im in
> Zylum/Weaving Our Own Web]
> Message-ID: <54959EAC.9010604 at clearerchannel.org>
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>
> On 20/12/14 14:27, bou at aktivix.org wrote:
>>
>> Upon reading your email I note that your hosting provider is a private
>> commercial entity.
>
> That doesn't seem quite fair to me.
> Green net do some good stuff don't they?
>
> In any case, I would say that https://www.apc.org/ the parent org, do go
> beyond being a private commercial entity.
>
> nice one
> Mick
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 21:31:24 +0000
> From: Mike Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk>
> To: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] [zylum at peacenews.info: Involving indy.im in
> Zylum/Weaving Our Own Web]
> Message-ID: <5495EAAC.1060204 at mbharris.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> On 20/12/2014 16:07, Mick Clearerchannel wrote:
>> On 20/12/14 14:27, bou at aktivix.org wrote:
>>> Upon reading your email I note that your hosting provider is a private
>>> commercial entity.
>> That doesn't seem quite fair to me.
>> Green net do some good stuff don't they?
>>
>> In any case, I would say that https://www.apc.org/ the parent org, do go
>> beyond being a private commercial entity.
> Yeah I don't really want to start a spat, but let's not get into a I'm a
> better anarchist than thou position. Some people do what they do via a
> commercial-route-that-does-good-stuff and some people do it completely
> voluntarily and without profit. It takes all sorts and I think the
> world's a better place for it. Certainly as someone who get's their
> livelihood from working doing this sort of thing, I have to do it
> partly-commercially and partly-voluntarily.
>> nice one
>> Mick
>>
>>
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