[HacktionLab] Calculations from non-participation

Sun Dec 21 16:20:05 UTC 2014

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Hi

> Can anyone estimate how much money I avoided generating Google
> after stopping to use Google & UTube on my computer for 1 month?

I think for anybody to be able to estimate this, they would need to
know a lot more about your browsing history and habits. For example,
the higher the number of pages that you visit, and ads that you click,
in an average month without blocking Google, the higher the amount of
money you have preventing from going to Google.

Even with this data, it wouldn't be possible to fully know what the
impact on Google was since you'd also need to work out how much your
data is worth to Google for their marketing purposes - I don't see any
way of working that out due to sparsity of information from Google and
how to accurately apportion one person's behaviour when they are part
of a big data set.

So, in summary, dunno ;-)

Cheers

G

On 21/12/14 16:03, Yo wrote:
> Hello consumers :)
> 
> Can anyone estimate how much money I avoided generating Google
> after stopping to use Google & UTube on my computer for 1 month?
> 
> I can see we all might measure project successes differently (I saw
> the recent posts and understand people are faced with needing money
> and therefore perhaps inherently compromised/settle for less) so
> I've opted for cutting off the proverbial abuser at the
> pass/connection wire but gradually banning corporate servers from
> my connection! And with you help I can show how this will work and
> is scalable with the maths :)
> 
> if you want to ban corporate sites/trackers/linker (similar to not 
> entering name brand shops) then think about blocking what THEY
> need (YOUR BANDWIDTH CONNECTION).
> 
> BAN/BLOCK via hosts file:
> (https://network23.org/freeschool/stopit/) BlockSite plugin (easy
> install): 
> (http://network23.org/freeschool/wp-content/blogs.dir/148/files/2014/11/Block-Website+Steps-300x82.gif)
>
> 
> 
> I think a lot of our causes have an easy Achilles heal. We simply
> do not know the maths, can't see how much we earn other people
> (apart from 3/4 million for Youtube/Google every quarter perhaps),
> and all those things kept under tight wraps which need die-hard
> concentrated efforts to achieve numbers for convincing ourselves or
> others... or simply cutting it's fucking head off at this end of
> the cable.
> 
> 
> On 21/12/2014 13:02, hacktionlab-request at lists.aktivix.org wrote:
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>> 1. Re: [zylum at peacenews.info: Involving indy.im in Zylum/Weaving 
>> Our Own Web] (bou at aktivix.org) 2. Re: [zylum at peacenews.info:
>> Involving indy.im in Zylum/Weaving Our Own Web] (Mick
>> Clearerchannel) 3. Re: [zylum at peacenews.info: Involving indy.im
>> in Zylum/Weaving Our Own Web] (Mike Harris) 4. Re:
>> [zylum at peacenews.info: Involving indy.im in Zylum/Weaving Our Own
>> Web] (Mick Clearerchannel) 5. Re: [zylum at peacenews.info:
>> Involving indy.im in Zylum/Weaving Our Own Web] (Alan Dawson)
>> 
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Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 14:27:25 +0000 From: bou at aktivix.org To:
>> hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org Cc: zylum at peacenews.info Subject:
>> Re: [HacktionLab] [zylum at peacenews.info: Involving indy.im in 
>> Zylum/Weaving Our Own Web] Message-ID:
>> <20141220142725.Horde.-VjmXydl6odYJaQopWosCQ9 at aktivix.org> 
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>> DelSp=Yes
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> aktivix and other groups have been working on federation,
>> anonymity and encryption for so long this 'new' project sounds
>> like a new comer reinventing the wheel.
>> 
>> aktivix.org may be a good starting point as to what networks are 
>> already set in place, from there you should get to the tech tools
>> for activism page (otherwise googling it it should appear the
>> 1st, 2nd option?)
>> 
>> Upon reading your email I note that your hosting provider is a
>> private commercial entity.
>> 
>> b. 1 of aktivix & n23
>> 
>> 
>> Quoting indy.im at aktivix.org:
>> 
>>> As received from another channel, this may be of interest to
>>> those on this list.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> indy.im
>> 
>> Dear indy.im, Many thanks for your response and feel free to
>> forward this email to anyone if you see that as useful.
>> 
>> You will be pleased to hear that one of the opportunities at our
>> event on 10th Jan. will indeed be for discussion about the
>> federated, and open web. If you have an idea for a workshop or a
>> debate which you would like to host. it is not too late to give
>> you a slot in the programme. If you are interested, I can also
>> share the draft programme with you, so that you can see what is
>> already being offered. I would love to involve you in the event
>> and in the testing phase for the online tools (which will begin
>> in the middle of next week). Do let me know if you would like to
>> take up these opportunities?
>> 
>> You are right that development has been funded (by Rowntree). 
>> Unfortunately, I was only introduced to Zylum very late (just
>> over a month ago). Had I been involved around two years ago when
>> many of the ideas which lead to Zylum were first mooted, the
>> project as a whole might look very different. However, it is now
>> my job to make the best of where we are. That will mean moving
>> from the cathedral to the bazaar, but as a first step I need to
>> drag the Zylum project out into the daylight, that may take a
>> little while, as it is quite a heavy beast to manoeuvre.
>> 
>> As to your specific questions about anonymity, encryption and
>> logs. These are issues on which I am myself seeking
>> clarification. I need to speak with both the developer who has
>> implemented the server side code http://www.wave.coop/ and the
>> hosting provider http://www.greennet.org.uk/ We aim to keep as
>> little personal data as possible about our users. Whatever the
>> answers are, we shall be entirely open about what data we do and
>> do not keep and all this will be explained in the help/about
>> pages of http://www.zulum.org/
>> 
>> I would love to have you and other Hactivists look at the code as
>> well as the front end product as soon as it is released. Peace
>> News plans to release the code under a free software license, so
>> if people like bits of it but not all of it they will be free to
>> cannibalise. Equally, if people like the product but not the
>> Peace News brand, there will be the option to install and run the
>> same service elsewhere. If you are asking precisely which free
>> software license we shall use, that is something for Wave to
>> confirm. I visualise it being similar to the way Firefox is
>> licensed. Mozilla foundation owns the name Firefox, so other
>> developers cannot use that, but the code itself is free (hence
>> iceweasel). Peace News will assert ownership of the name Zylum
>> but the rest will be open to everyone.
>> 
>> You ask about maintenance over years or decades. This a
>> challenge which we do not presume to have answered yet. If techie
>> folk do not like Zylum, it could die. I hope that it will be
>> maintained and that it will evolve, but that will only happen
>> with the support of a user base.
>> 
>> I agree that software is not a static thing which is complete
>> once it is released. Any release is simply a milestone. Without
>> the support of many people, Zylum will be a cul de sac and people
>> will simply find alternative tools which suit their needs better.
>> Only time will tell, but I believe that Zylum could be a useful
>> service providing non techies' with an alternative to placing
>> everything about their campaign on F***book. Ideally, it should
>> be a jumping off point for those people to discover other free
>> software and non-corporate corners of the web. That will only
>> happen if people involved in groups such as indy.im use Zylum as
>> an opportunity to reach out to a constituency which might
>> otherwise never discover their work.
>> 
>> I look forward in hope of a fruitful ongoing conversation, 
>> Benjamin.
>> 
>> 
>> ---------- Previous message ---------- From: indy.im at aktivix.org 
>> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:46:16 +0000 Subject: Re: Weaving Our Own
>> Web - Digital Tools For Activists Event Sat. 10 Jan. 2015 To:
>> Benjamin <benjamindiss at googlemail.com>
>> 
>> Hi Benjamin, it's great that Peace News is taking steps to
>> encourage users to move away from corporate social network farms,
>> where the users are the product of the application.
>> 
>> It'd be great to have some discussion about the federated, and
>> open web, how we can move away from information silos returning
>> to a peer based network, and how people can take control of their
>> data and communications and self host.
>> 
>> We have some concerns on the nature of Zylum application that you
>> have had developed.
>> 
>> It appears that Peace News has received a grant to develop a
>> software artefact, that may be useful to many different
>> organising groups, that may have different requirements and needs
>> to Peace News.  For example perhaps some direct antifacist
>> organisers may find it useful, but may not want to use the peace
>> news installation for various reasons.
>> 
>> How will we know that the Peace News application maintains its
>> users anonymity.  Will you manage your own servers.  Will you
>> encrypt the hard drives so they cannot be accessed if copied.
>> Will you log the connection details of users.  Will you respond
>> to police requests for access ?
>> 
>> What licenses will the software be released under ?  How easy
>> will it be for other groups to deploy it in autonomous ways. How
>> can we contribute to it, improve it, customise it to better fit
>> our environments  ?
>> 
>> Software artefacts are not static objects.  The components that
>> are used to build them change over time.  How will you maintain
>> it over decades of use (as some of has have been maintaining
>> software applications for activists for decades. ) ?
>> 
>> Building software artefacts is best done as a bazaar, with
>> transparent process, releasing often and openly, allowing and
>> encouraging all to contribute.  This project appears on the
>> surface to much more top down and cathedral in nature.
>> 
>> Regards, indy.im at aktivix.org
>> 
>> 
>> ---------- Previous message ---------- On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at
>> 03:16:34PM +0000, Benjamin <... at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> [Hide Quoted Text] Dear Microblog Administrator(s), Peace News
>> http://peacenews.info are developing a suite of online tools to
>> be called Zylum. Partly to launch this set of tools and partly
>> just to get people together to talk about tech' in campaigning -
>> We are organising a free day-school of workshops to be hosted in
>> London.
>> 
>> http://peacenews.info/node/7821/weaving-our-own-web
>> 
>> As independent media practitioners we have been very inspired by 
>> indy.im so we would love to invite the people behind it to
>> address our gathering.
>> 
>> At the moment I am trying to finalise a list of invitees and
>> decide which workshops to have people deliver. ---- Message
>> history cropped ----
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Message: 2 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:07:08 +0000 From: Mick
>> Clearerchannel <mickfuzz at clearerchannel.org> To:
>> hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org Subject: Re: [HacktionLab]
>> [zylum at peacenews.info: Involving indy.im in Zylum/Weaving Our Own
>> Web] Message-ID: <54959EAC.9010604 at clearerchannel.org> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>> 
>> 
>> On 20/12/14 14:27, bou at aktivix.org wrote:
>>> 
>>> Upon reading your email I note that your hosting provider is a
>>> private commercial entity.
>> 
>> That doesn't seem quite fair to me. Green net do some good stuff
>> don't they?
>> 
>> In any case, I would say that https://www.apc.org/ the parent
>> org, do go beyond being a private commercial entity.
>> 
>> nice one Mick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Message: 3 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 21:31:24 +0000 From: Mike
>> Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk> To: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org 
>> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] [zylum at peacenews.info: Involving
>> indy.im in Zylum/Weaving Our Own Web] Message-ID:
>> <5495EAAC.1060204 at mbharris.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset=windows-1252
>> 
>> On 20/12/2014 16:07, Mick Clearerchannel wrote:
>>> On 20/12/14 14:27, bou at aktivix.org wrote:
>>>> Upon reading your email I note that your hosting provider is
>>>> a private commercial entity.
>>> That doesn't seem quite fair to me. Green net do some good
>>> stuff don't they?
>>> 
>>> In any case, I would say that https://www.apc.org/ the parent
>>> org, do go beyond being a private commercial entity.
>> Yeah I don't really want to start a spat, but let's not get into
>> a I'm a better anarchist than thou position.  Some people do what
>> they do via a commercial-route-that-does-good-stuff and some
>> people do it completely voluntarily and without profit.  It takes
>> all sorts and I think the world's a better place for it.
>> Certainly as someone who get's their livelihood from working
>> doing this sort of thing, I have to do it partly-commercially and
>> partly-voluntarily.
>>> nice one Mick
>>> 
>>> 
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