[imc-uk-emergency] Re: [Imc-uk-features] about hiding

[ionnek]

hi Ian

thanks for your mail & hope you don't mind if I use it to publicly give my 
view about hiding.

I don't think that anybody is abusing their passwords.

I guess that you're aware that lots of "new" people have started to take 
responsibility to "clean" the newswire. You probably know from experience 
that most hiding is rather straigthforward - I mean double postings, party 
rants, BNP press releases, repeat postings, spam.

In the "old" UK group (I refer to the website imc-uk), we went through a 
long process re hiding - in the beginning, the feats list was notified of 
every hiding, and reasons were given. Thats how the guidelines emerged, 
slowly and collectively. As time went on, we became a bit sloppy about 
notifying the list, cause everybody knew what the others were doing anyway. 
Then the Manchester and Lanc network meetings happened, new people got 
involved. In my view, in this situation, the list should be notified of 
hidden articles. Maybe not necessarily double postings, but everything that 
isn't completely obvious.

Good example is the Bilderberg posting. (by the way, it wasn't me who hid 
it) For you, Ian, it's absolutely no problem. For me, this Bilderberg thing 
is antisemitic, and I know from prior experience that it's unlikely that 
we'll come to an agreement about that. But I don't think this is a big 
problem. I'm not going to spend my days screening the newswire for 
Bilderberg postings, I might not like them but I have better things to do.

It helps if people who are not working directly on the imc-uk site jump 
into the discussion, or point to things they think should be (not) hidden.

To sum up - I find it incredibly important to publicly discuss our 
policies, even if they are not coherent. After all, we are a very diverse 
group, with views as diverse as the indy users themselves. But we need to 
further develop the ground-rules about posting and hiding, although, as a 
diverse group, we'll never come out with a fixed procedure.

bye,
Ionnek


At 13:47 29/03/03, you wrote:
>still having trouble mailing to list...
>
>two things - i wanna propose a feature on Peace activist Jo Wilding's 
>excellent Baghdad diary - 
>http://www.bristol.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=3477&group=webcast 
>-  if there is no objections i'll put it up tommorow..( we've already got 
>a piece done on front of Bristol indymedia, so i'll just transfer it to UK 
>site )
>
>
>secondly i agree with ionekk here - i'm disgusted to see the amount of 
>articles that have been hidden recently.  what the fuck is going on ? 
>somebody is playing editor with the newswire and i'm starting to get 
>worried.  I've seen three examples in the past 3 days of articles being 
>hidden when there is no reason to do so... a geezer in Bristol who writes 
>about the Bilderberg group had his announcement of this years meeting 
>venue hidden - why ?
>
>if people are going to hide newswire articles surely they must write to 
>the list with an explaination of why an article should be 
>removed?  someone is abusing their pass word - may be it needs to be changed ?
>
>cheers
>ian

At 13:47 29/03/03, ian i-contact wrote:
>still having trouble mailing to list...
>
>two things - i wanna propose a feature on Peace activist Jo Wilding's 
>excellent Baghdad diary - 
>http://www.bristol.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=3477&group=webcast 
>-  if there is no objections i'll put it up tommorow..( we've already got 
>a piece done on front of Bristol indymedia, so i'll just transfer it to UK 
>site )
>
>
>secondly i agree with ionekk here - i'm disgusted to see the amount of 
>articles that have been hidden recently.  what the fuck is going on ? 
>somebody is playing editor with the newswire and i'm starting to get 
>worried.  I've seen three examples in the past 3 days of articles being 
>hidden when there is no reason to do so... a geezer in Bristol who writes 
>about the Bilderberg group had his announcement of this years meeting 
>venue hidden - why ?
>
>if people are going to hide newswire articles surely they must write to 
>the list with an explaination of why an article should be 
>removed?  someone is abusing their pass word - may be it needs to be changed ?
>
>cheers
>ian