[LAF] bookfair

[stevphen shukaitis]

that's a pretty interesting question. part of me thinks that the green party in general is just
bullshit and not worth the time at best - but i was just reading "the subversion of politics" by
george katsiaficas, which has some interesting information about the formation of the green party
in germany that is making me rethink that. basically he points at, at least during the inital
phase of its formation, the green party was coming out of the anto-nuclear and ecologically
oriented movements and thus had many close connections with interesting forms of radical
organizing not based on electoral action. so there was part of the party that saw themselves as a
vehicle more for keeping alive mass movements and a way to bring about political change by
continually working with extra parliamentary movements. in other words electoralism wasn't a total
focus or even necessarily the most important goal but only one tactic involved in a whole array.

while i'm not entirely sure what to make of that - and it seems this sort of perspective
eventually got marginalized and the directly democratic spirit underpinning the party form which
existed at first disappeared (for instance in the mandatory rotation of officers and other
positions of power) - it does strike me as a much more interesting approach to politics than i had
previously associated with the green party - and for that reason something which would be worth
thinking about more. as an australian friend once quipped to me, sometimes green are like
watermelons, that is green on the outside and red and black on the inside. hmm.... while i haven't
found that too often it certainly does seem like an appealing idea anyways.

cheers
stevphen


> Steve,
>
> I think a general eco talk for anarchists would have
> to be about whether the audience thinks the Green
> Party is partly anarchist and/or worth voting for (if
> people vote at all).
> Would people prefer to support pressure groups in
> preference to a political party.
> Do anarchists want to stick to anarchist organisations
> to promote green ideas?
>
> Adrian
>
> --- steve ash <steveash_2001 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Ok.
>>
>> They initially suggested three but have marked it
>> down
>> to two, perhaps because the two people concerned
>> think
>> they will pay themselves. However the idea is for it
>> to be a series, and two isn't really a series.
>>
>> Ed has said I can make a descision if theres not
>> many
>> responces on this so I think we should commit LAF
>> funds to one talk and do three 1 1/2 the state
>> ideology talk, Ed talked about, an anti class
>> struggle
>> talk with me, and an eco talk with Adrian. I can do
>> titles and blurbs for first two but have no idea
>> what
>> Adrian wants to talk about and have to post by
>> Monday.
>> If I hear nothing I'll just write up on a general
>> ecology theme and we can change it later.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: steve ash <steveash_2001 at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > >To: joy_helbin at hotmail.com,
>> > adrianrwilliams at yahoo.co.uk,
>> > >laf at lists.aktivix.org
>> > >Subject: RE: [LAF] bookfair
>> > >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 19:49:03 +0100 (BST)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >That would be great Adrian, do you have a theme
>> > that
>> > >would 'make the anarchists think out of the usual
>> > >paths' or 'stimulate fresh debate' as some from
>> the
>> > >ABF have requested?
>> > >
>> > >Basically it would be like an LAF discussion I
>> > think,
>> > >with a short intro from the facillitator(s),
>> > probably
>> > >not to long, than open debate (chaired in ways
>> that
>> > >depend on numbers and practicalities, as usual
>> with
>> > >LAF). 1 1/2 hour debates I think. I would imagine
>> > two
>> > >facillitators per debate perhaps, so
>> facillitators
>> > can
>> > >join in debate easier, dunno. Maybe you and Joy
>> for
>> > >eco one?
>> > >
>> > >In general to everyone, are we going with the
>> > 'we'll
>> > >pay for one if you pay for two' plan?
>> > >
>
>
>
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