[LAF] [allgendergroup] Re: Fuck For Forest at A-Kongress

Wed Jul 1 08:39:04 UTC 2009

Thanks for the clarification and further information Volodya

Joy
 
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:22:21 +0100
> From: Volodya at WhenGendarmeSleeps.org
> To: laf at lists.aktivix.org; allgendergroup at lists.riseup.net
> Subject: [allgendergroup] Re: Fuck For Forest at A-Kongress
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> Joy Wood wrote:
> > "Maybe the people screaming to us and threatening us because
> >> we were naked or part of a non-profit erotic website should think
> >> about what the word sexism means; Suppressing someone because of their
> >> sexuality or sexual orientation. And this was now happening to us"
> > Quote from [male] FFF member
> > 
> > Er no, actually, sexism is *not* suppressing someone because of their
> > sexuality or sexual orientation (that's homophobia, etc, etc), sexism is
> > treating someone in a certain way as if they were a member of a "class"
> > because of their assigned gender. Under patriarchy this might mean, as
> > a couple of examples
> > 
> > 1. not allowing girls or women into lucrative professions and/or
> > keeping them in unpaid or underpaid occupations, and 
> > 
> > 2. conscripting men and boys but not women or girls as soldiers,
> > training them to kill, and sending them to war to kill and be killed.
> > 
> > It doesn't seem likely that FFF were objected to because of their
> > nakedness but it does seem from the report by Gabriel Kuhn, and by the
> > report of the comrade who first alerted Volodya, that some member/s of
> > FFF acted agressively and made sexist and homophobic remarks. Before
> > going into denial and accusing others of not only lying, but lying
> > deliberately and maliciously moreover, to try to discredit FFF, an
> > attempt could have been made to consider whether the behaviour of [a]
> > certain member/s of FFF might have contributed/ignited the trouble by
> > their insulting (not sexy*, but sexist) offensive (not 'publicy sexual'
> > but plain boorish) behaviour.
> > 
> > Joy
> > 
> > *I agree some people confuse sex and sexism, FFF's statement shows signs
> > of this.
> 
> FFF are not anarchist nor are they feminists, therefore when they have said that
> sexism means repressing somebody for their sexuality i took it to mean the same
> thing as when people say "disallowing me to speak my native language is racism",
> it's technically wrong (this would be nationalism or anglo-centrism, but not
> racism), but you can understand what the person is trying to say, they mean
> "discrimination" and just use the term for specific discrimination in the
> all-encompassing way.
> 
> Now you are saying "It doesn't seem likely..." but if you read the websites
> which blame FFF member(s) for everything which has happened, and when you talk
> to people who were there (i do not have permission to reproduce the internet
> communication which took place between me and some participants of A-Kongress)
> you get the following:
> 1. FFF members showed up to a workshop on 'sex' and stripped down.
> 2. Commotion began after somebody demanded that they either put their clothes on
> or will be forced to leave.
> 3. FFF members were accused of making homophobic and sexist statements (nobody
> has heard any such statements)
> 4. FFF members refused to leave and started to encourage others to join them
> (and some people wanted to do just that).
> 5. No discussion was set up by organisers, who have simply stopped the talk.
> 
> on the next day
> 
> 1. FFF members showed up again, unclothed.
> 2. Organisers of A-Kongress have cancelled everything which was planned,
> apologising only for allowing FFF to enter in the first place.
> 
> As i have said, if somebody can demand that another person dresses in the
> specific way (or at all) or leaves it should be more than ok to demand that it
> is that person who leaves and stops disrupting the meeting. Previously i might
> have considered the feelings of somebody who feels uncomfortable with the nude
> expression, and in the similar situation would try to stay out of the debate;
> however, after knowing what has happened at A-Kongress i believe that the best
> course of action is to tell the "hurt" party to fuck off, before the commotion
> starts, as that is exactly the goal of that person (as accusations can be easily
> made after there is a lot of noise).
> 
> Now, this does not mean that i am 100% sure that not a single FFF member said
> something which may be considered sexist or homophobic by an anarchist, in fact
> it is quite likely (FFF are not anarchists, they found themselves in a
> threatening situation, if we assume that they wanted to verbally insult somebody
> and knowing that the strongest insults in our language are based on one form of
> discrimination or another, it's possible that those insults were used). However,
> i am 100% positive that FFF were being forced to put the clothes on when they
> did not feel like doing that (note that not even the most fundamentalist
> feminists dispute that). So faced with the situation of two wrongs the first of
> which has definitely occurred and the second of unknown status, the first of
> which has preceded the second (if that second has happened), with the party
> accused of the first refusing to acknowledge the wrong of the action, but the
> party accused of the second stating that they are in principle opposed to the
> act... I ask what am i to say? Should i defend the person who demands the right
> to strip others of their freedom to strip? Or should i instead stand on the side
> of those who have been wronged by somebody who claims the same label as me
> ("anarchist")? To me the answer is clear.
> 
> - Volodya
> 
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