[matilda] FW: these are feelings, not an argument...

[Helen and Nick]

Hey Joe
Just seems a good time to say thanks for all your
support the other night (and the rest of the cafe
collective) helping Nick and I sort stuff for the IMC
film fest weekend. We appreciate the stops you lot are
pulling out to cater loads of yummy food for the whole
weekend and to put the support of the cafe fully
behind this event, and also doing a special mexican
meal for the pre-film fest night out - hopefully we
will have done some good planning between us! People
you catered for at the IMC network meeting in
September were so in awe of the food!

By the way you pulled off an amazing Dissent weekend
in October, that got activists around the country
saying great things about the place (as I constantly
heard at the bookfair). 

If you needed to share his email with us, then we
support that. Nobody should feel they have to keep any
kind of abuse hidden.

Helene and Nick 


--- Joe Morris <malatesta_uk at hotmail.com> wrote:

> In retrospect, sending the email to the list the way
> I did
> was not the best thing to do but at the time it
> seemed
> quite sensible. I assumed that it would be
> understood how
> ridiculous and outragous it was, but obviously it
> was out of
> context and that understandably confused people.
> 
> Sorry
> Thanks for solidarity
> Joe
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: <gavin at cyber-rights.net>
> To: <writetodougald at gmail.com>, 
>
<matilda at lists.aktivix.org>,<malatesta_uk at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [matilda] FW: these are feelings, not
> an argument...
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:38:38 -0800
> 
> I support Chris' moderation. And normally I'd say it
> isn't
> appropriate to send personal emails to this public
> list, or state
> personal details etc. Because to do this would
> isolate people from
> the group and distract from the kind of
> (non-personal) discussion
> this list is for.
> 
> However, Eric's email attempted to subvert how
> things should work
> here. It concerned a debate about how we do things
> at matilda, but
> was sent off list to Joe, and was very nasty. The
> effect would have
> been to isolate Joe (see how Eric attempts to stop
> him even
> replying by saying that if Joe tried, Eric would
> arrange to have
> his nasty email read out in front of everyone - to
> humiliate Joe,
> presumably). This approach is taken rather than
> trying to argue
> rationally with Joe's position in matilda's public
> forums (which
> was NOT in fact only Joe's position, but the
> position taken by
> several people at Matilda). The only thing Joe could
> do in those
> circumstances, if he felt he couldn't just ignore
> the email (which,
> I agree with Douglald, would have been the best
> thing all round),
> would be to make the attack public himself.
> 
> So, I support Joe's decision to send that email to
> the list.
> 
> I don't want especially to add to the discussion, or
> be dragged
> into it, so this is all I'm going to say. I'm only
> mailing because
> I know it's not nice to be on the receiving end of
> nasty emails
> without expressions of solidarity, and I think Joe
> has done, more
> or less, the reasonable thing here.
> 
> - Gavin.
> 
> 
> 
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