[pagan-magik] Issues
Steve (Dionysian Underground)
dionysian_underground at yahoo.co.uk
Thu Jan 6 17:09:50 GMT 2005
Okay I don't want to make a big issue of this, but yes
Jocelyn you offered to pay for my meal as payment
after the bookfair, which I declined and you said you
would give me the money when you next saw me, and
never did. No doubt it slipped your mind, but this has
only been a minor niggle, I tend not to remind people
just to test if they are sincere are not.
Sean also promised to bring books to help pay for the
room and 'forgot'.
I'm dissapointed that the Dragon Network and
Reclaimers have left the PMA to form their own
meetings in Scotland, and that off list communication
is going on. This confirms my feelings that the
network isn't working.
I won't be taking part in the anti G8 events anyway as
I consider this a distraction from real politics.
As for regular meetings I agree that they might help,
but think the end of the month is too far away. I see
events as escalating very fast now.
Steve
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> 1. Regular meetings (sean)
> 2. Re: Power Games (pantherius amokus)
> 3. Re: PMA closure? (Adrian Harris)
> 4. Re: US military knew of Tsunami (sean)
> 5. Re: Regular meetings (Jocelyn Chaplin)
> 6. Re: Power Games (Steve (Dionysian
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> 7. group (Steve (Dionysian Underground))
> 8. Re: PMA closure? (Sabah Targe)
> 9. Re: US military knew of Tsunami (Sabah Targe)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:55:19 +0000
> From: sean <sean at hairyjedi.net>
> Subject: [pagan-magik] Regular meetings
> To: pantherius amokus <mutadog93 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: pagan-magik at lists.aktivix.org
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> David writes -
>
> > I have recently been in communication with
> Jocelyn, following her
> > original suggestion that we have regular meetings
> of the PMA.
> > It was suggested in these communications that the
> PMA meet on a
> > monthly basis. The day suggested was the last
> monday of each month at
> > the Royal Festival Hall, South Bank, London.
> > Times and details of this meeting will be posted
> nearer the time if
> > there are no objections to having a regular
> meeting as suggested.
>
>
> I reckon regular meetings would be fantastic! The
> last monday of this
> month will be the 31st...
>
> Also workshops, rites and trainings would be ideal
> and a way to build up
> this magical network of resistance....
>
> I also understand that folk from the Dragon Network
> and some of the
> Reclaimers are having regular meetings up in
> Scotland to get prepared
> for the G8... and info about that can be made
> available if any of you
> mail me off list or if you join those groups...
>
> sean
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:15:40 +0000 (GMT)
> From: pantherius amokus <mutadog93 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [pagan-magik] Power Games
> To: dionysian_underground at yahoo.co.uk,
> pagan-magik at lists.aktivix.org
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> I rememember quite clearly that some of us offered
> to share the cost of the room with you prior to the
> event. Also that books (pamphlets) were to be made
> available to help offset cost.
>
> Due to mix up over times i wasn't at the actual
> talk, as such had no idea whether we had sold
> pamphlets to cover costs etc. - Or if they were even
> available.
>
> I had simply trusted that you would have let us know
> how much the event cost after the event so that we
> could make what contributions we were each able to.
> This never happened.
>
> Communication is essential in these matters.
>
> To say we ripped you off is damned insulting.
>
> Had you communicated the final cost of the event,
> after said event, as is normal, we could have
> contributed as we had already offered to so do.
>
> Now this is out in the open perhaps you would like
> to let everyone know exactly what the event did
> cost. And give us the opportunity to all share in
> the cost.
>
> This situation demonstrates quite clearly the need
> for regular meetings. Had these been in place we
> could have de-briefed following The Anarchist Book
> Fair event and all this would have been discussed
> openly and the situation addressed rather than it
> being kept hidden leading to resentments.
>
> David
>
> "Steve (Dionysian Underground)"
> <dionysian_underground at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Also I think if I was involved in power games I
> would
> have complained when some of you ripped me off when
> I
> payed for the room at the anarchist bookfair and
> didn't get a penny from any of you or even any books
> to sell at the meeting.
>
> Steve
>
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> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:34:36 +0000
> From: Adrian Harris <adrian at gn.apc.org>
> Subject: Re: [pagan-magik] PMA closure?
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> From: sean <sean at hairyjedi.net>
> Subject: Re: [pagan-magik] US military knew of
> Tsunami
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> >>One of the more annoying things about the US is
> that the population
> >>believes their government when they spend
> $1BILLION/week avenging the
> >>deaths of 3000 but spend a fairly inconsequential
> $30Million on aiding
> >>the needy millions in Asia right now.
>
> > By December 31st the United States had increased
> it's tsunami
> > aid pledge from $35 million to $350 million,
> partly in response
> > to an intervention by Sen. Patrick J. Leahy
> (D-Vt.) in which he
> > now famously said "We spend $35 million before
> breakfast in Iraq"
>
> Thanks for the updated news Ian! That bit of news
> skipped me completely
> and it's great to see that outspoken criticism of
> government plans can
> still force government to change it's decisions....
>
> Sean
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:43:38 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jocelyn Chaplin <jochaplin at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pagan-magik] Regular meetings
> To: sean <sean at hairyjedi.net>, pantherius amokus
> <mutadog93 at yahoo.co.uk>
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> Hey everyone,
> Just got all the messages from PMA...... First I
> want
> to explain my strong reaction to the Maldives
> comment
> by Steve. Of course I find the obscenity of global
> inequalities mainly as a result of the capitalist
> system appalling. I hate millionaires too, but to
> wish
> them dead is another matter.And I hate the system
> that
> creates them even more. And...Yes we do all have
> sadistic potential, rage etc. It's my rage about
> inequality that makes me an activist. And...As a
> Jungian therapist working daily with people's shadow
> sides, I'm the last person to deny them. But........
>
> I don't like being accused of being the thought
> police
> because of this reaction. And I think political
> discussion IS important on this list. I like the
> idea
> of having regular meetings, during which we can
> discuss some of these issues personally. We could
> also
> talk about actions at the G8. Shall we make
> 31st.Jan.7.00. above the bar at the Royal festival
> hall a definite ???
>
> I too would like this list to be completely open.
> And
> like others I did offer Steve money immediately
> after
> the book fair.
>
> Love and power,
> Jocelyn.
>
>
>
> --- sean <sean at hairyjedi.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > David writes -
> >
> > > I have recently been in communication with
> > Jocelyn, following her
> > > original suggestion that we have regular
> meetings
> > of the PMA.
> > > It was suggested in these communications that
> the
> > PMA meet on a
> > > monthly basis. The day suggested was the last
> > monday of each month at
> > > the Royal Festival Hall, South Bank, London.
> > > Times and details of this meeting will be posted
> > nearer the time if
> > > there are no objections to having a regular
> > meeting as suggested.
> >
> >
> > I reckon regular meetings would be fantastic! The
> > last monday of this
> > month will be the 31st...
> >
> > Also workshops, rites and trainings would be ideal
> > and a way to build up
> > this magical network of resistance....
> >
> > I also understand that folk from the Dragon
> Network
> > and some of the
> > Reclaimers are having regular meetings up in
> > Scotland to get prepared
> > for the G8... and info about that can be made
> > available if any of you
> > mail me off list or if you join those groups...
> >
> > sean
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:11:37 +0000 (GMT)
> From: "Steve \(Dionysian Underground\)"
> <dionysian_underground at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [pagan-magik] Power Games
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> I'm sorry that complaint wasn't directed at anyone
> who
> wasn't at the meeting due to no fault of their own,
> I
> apologize for any offence caused, and I wouldn't
> expect those to have to contribute. Alas the
> booklets
> supposed to raise funds were forgotton on day.
>
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> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:27:34 +0000 (GMT)
> From: "Steve \(Dionysian Underground\)"
> <dionysian_underground at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: [pagan-magik] group
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> >In my humble
> >opinion anything that gets in the way of our
> >working together as an
> >effective group is just so much fucking bullshit.
>
> I agree. And I have no objections to your
> suggestions.
>
> Though it may be a while before I want to talk to
> Sean
> and Jocelyn again.
>
> Steve
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> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:57:57 -0500
> From: "Sabah Targe" <armedmay at mail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pagan-magik] PMA closure?
> To: "Ian Gregory" <ianji at zenatode.org.uk>,
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> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 06:27:07 -0500
> From: "Sabah Targe" <armedmay at mail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pagan-magik] US military knew of
> Tsunami
> To: sean <sean at hairyjedi.net>,
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