[SSC] SSC Digest, Vol 22, Issue 2
Alan Gurbutt
agurbutt at gmail.com
Mon Oct 1 22:26:52 UTC 2012
Hi David,
The Sudbury model has real potential. Sugata Mitra on how kids learn offers a similar insight, albeit, in a differing context. I have seen this type of collaborative learning between my own children and I find it very exciting. We really need to ditch exams.
Best wishes,
Alan
Sent from my iPad
On 1 Oct 2012, at 22:38, David McAleavey <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> You might remember that I mentioned Sudbury Valley School (USA) during the discussion we had after Michael Fielding's lecture last week.
>
> http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/200808/children-educate-themselves-iv-lessons-sudbury-valley
>
> I think we can learn from this model.
>
> Respectfully yours,
>
> David
> On 1 October 2012 21:09, <sarah at socialsciencecentre.org.uk> wrote:
>> Wow, just saw Alan's nice podcast with Michael Fielding's talk...great! Thanks Alan.
>>
>> Sarah
>>
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>> > 3. Re: A busy week ahead. (Alan
>> > Gurbutt)
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>> > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:57:38 +0100
>> > > From: Darryl Baker <baker
>> > 402 at btinternet.com>
>> > To: "SSC at lists.aktivix.org"
>> > <SSC at lists.aktivix.org>
>> > Subject: [SSC] Meeting on Wednesday
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>> > > Hi all I wish to convey my apologies for the next
>> > meeting on Wednesday due to a long standing family commitment.
>> >
>> > > Darryl
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my iPad
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > >
>> > > Message: 2
>> > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:38:27 +0100
>> > > From: David McAleavey <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com>
>> > To: Alan Gurbutt <agurbutt at g
>> > mail.com>
>> > Cc: ssc <ssc at lis
>> > ts.aktivix.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [SSC] A busy week ahead.
>> > > Message-ID:
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>> >
>> > > Alan,
>> > >
>> > > What happened to your daughter last Thursday needs
>> > to addressed separately.
>> > At present, I am unable to express my
>> > feelings.
>> >
>> > > I think our communication system has failed us again
>> > - the meeting
>> > scheduled for next Wednesday was agreed on (and
>> > posted to the list, I
>> > think) at the AGM (I think). A coffee at the Angel,
>> > a pint in the Jolly
>> > Brewer, a glass of wine over dinner at my place...
>> > it's the opportunity for
>> > dialogue, not the beverage, that counts.
>> > >
>> > > Apologies about the minutes, but they will be posted
>> > asap.
>> >
>> > > I do not agree with selection full stop.
>> > >
>> > > If you let Steve have your details, I am confident
>> > that your expenses will
>> > be covered.
>> > >
>> > > Respectfully yours,
>> > >
>> > > David
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 30 September 2012 18:46, Alan Gurbutt <agurbutt at g
>> > mail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> Hi David,
>> > >>
>> > >> I have to say that I don't agree with you on
>> > several counts and I know my
>> >> comments are not at all relevant, if they were,
>> > meetings would be consulted
>> >> upon before being agreed. This is a rehash of
>> > in-between meetings from last
>> >> week. There are no minutes from
>> > Saturday.
>> >>
>> > >> I agreed to take care of the website on Thursday
>> > only to find out today a
>> >> meeting is scheduled for Wednesday to discuss
>> > its development. I'm not sure
>> >> if I can afford to attend. If I am to attend I
>> > would add communication to
>> >> the agenda i.e., learning support. Will work be
>> > eligible for travelling
>> >> expenses?
>> > >>
>> > >> Another point is - and it was raised at Michael
>> > Fielding's lecture - there
>> >> is a disparity between community focused primary
>> > schools and market driven
>> >> higher education. I noted the commentator said
>> > there were some exceptions
>> >> to his positive experience with his primary
>> > school, but it didn't go far
>> >> enough. Purposely so.
>> > >>
>> > >> Michael Fielding was unaware of the continuation
>> > of academic selection as
>> >> young as 10 years old in Lincolnshire. Ok, I
>> > could have spoken out, but I
>> >> was concerned that talk of discrimination
>> > wouldn't bode well with the
>> >> purpose of SSC. I want to raise this
>> > now.
>> >>
>> > >> What does one have to do in Lincolnshire to
>> > become involved in democratic
>> >> education? I won't join the Labour Party, so was
>> > hoping for scope within
>> >> SSC.
>> > >>
>> > >> To reiterate, there is no representation for
>> > education on the Lincolnshire
>> >> coast. CERD supported anti academies in Louth,
>> > yet appear to have no
>> >> appetite to discuss rejection by 11+. Why is
>> > this? Furthermore, do you
>> >> agree that children should be selected on
>> > faith?
>> >>
>> > >> Just to add some context. From personal
>> > experience, children on the
>> >> coastal strip have been told in Y6 that if they
>> > are naughty they will go to
>> >> our all ability schools and academies (they are
>> > not comprehensives),
>> >> whereas, children who behave will go to grammar
>> > school. This is
>> >> Lincolnshire's worst kept secret.
>> > >>
>> > >> Back to the public lecture. I had a governor's
>> > meeting on Thursday so had
>> >> to decide whether to attend the lecture or to
>> > honour my commitments at our
>> >> school. The decision was taken out of my hands.
>> > I had spent the morning in
>> >> school discussing how to improve outcomes for
>> > children with additional
>> >> needs, but later that day my 12 year old
>> > daughter returned home covered in
>> >> spit. It was in her hair and on her coat. She
>> > was deeply distraught and
>> >> looked as though she felt violated. Grace has
>> > also had to endure text
>> >> messages from troubled pupils.
>> > >>
>> > >> I hate to admit it, but I don't think this would
>> > have happened in a
>> >> grammar school or faith based school. The type
>> > of school my daughters
>> >> attend is a byproduct of Lincolnshire's
>> > selective system - which, appears
>> >> to be supported by the DfE. This is not to say
>> > teachers don't work bloody
>> >> hard, but the odds are stacked against them.
>> > Academic selection distorts
>> >> school intakes, lowers self-esteem and
>> > exacerbates austerity.
>> >>
>> > >> No, I don't want to think of SSC as a Greek /
>> > Roman Symposium. To me this
>> >> would further instil snobbery, Plato elitism,
>> > already inherent in
>> >> Lincolnshire education. I want to talk about
>> > real-life social issues with
>> >> people who are able to think
>> > dialogically.
>> >>
>> > >> Alan
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Sent from my iPad
>> > >>
>> > >> On 30 Sep 2012, at 13:57, David McAleavey <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks for this Steve.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks for offering to chair on 20.10 (or 13.10,
>> > if we rationalise - and
>> >> Alan's comment is VERY relevant re: deciding
>> > such things), and your
>> >> enthusiasm for a SSC Symposium... if I remember
>> > correctly, wine was also
>> >> considered a vital ingredient!
>> > >>
>> > >> DM
>> > >>
>> > >> On 30 September 2012 10:08, STEPHEN HOPKINS
>> > <hop
>> > kins668 at btinternet.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> > >>> David and All
>> > >>> I will be at the Angel Coffee House on
>> > Tuesday but not at the business
>> >>> meeting on Wednesday.
>> > >>> Re the agenda for Wednesday - I'd be happy
>> > to take the chair on the 20th
>> >>> October - although I wonder about
>> > rationalising a little and holding the
>> >>> meeting scheduled for the 20th on the 13th
>> > before/after the workshop if
>> >>> this is going ahead. I'm just conscious of
>> > peoples time.
>> >>> The idea of a meal sound a great one.
>> > Originally ( Greek and Roman ) a
>> >>> Symposium was a meeting with intellectual
>> > conversation following a meal.
>> >>> Perhaps we need to hold our first Symposium
>> > !
>> >>> Steve
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > ------------------------------
>> >>> *From:* David McAleavey <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com>
>> >>> *To:* ssc <ssc at lis
>> > ts.aktivix.org>
>> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, 30 September 2012,
>> > 7:26
>> >>>
>> > >>> *Subject:* [SSC] A busy week
>> > ahead.
>> >>>
>> > >>> Dear Alan and All,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> You will not be surprised to hear that I
>> > would welcome the opportunity to
>> >>> discuss the science, and creative potential,
>> > of our evolved capacities for
>> >>> social and individual learning... I'll get
>> > the first coffees on Tuesday
>> >>> Alan!
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Tuesday: Can all scholars (student and
>> > teacher) raise their hand if they
>> >>> will be joining us at the Angel Coffee House
>> > at 6.00pm.
>> >>>
>> > >>> Wednesday: We have an organisational meeting
>> > at Pathways scheduled to
>> >>> start at 7.00pm
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Proposed agenda
>> > >>>
>> > >>> A new model for agenda setting/minute taking
>> > (Zoraida and David)
>> >>> Feedback on Michael's lecture
>> > (David)
>> >>> Feedback on 2nd October Angel (a student
>> > scholar)
>> >>> Decision making workshop proposal 13.10.2012
>> > (Sara M.)
>> >>> Our Purpose... I propose a meal.
>> > (David)
>> >>> Website development
>> > >>> Sociological Imagination
>> > >>> Creative Projects (2013)
>> > >>> A chair for 20.10.12 (David and Sarah in
>> > Liverpool)
>> >>>
>> > >>> Please let me have any other items for the
>> > agenda.
>> >>>
>> > >>> Thursday
>> > >>> Thanks again to Sarah, Zoraida and Mike for
>> > facilitating this course, I
>> >>> think we're all excited to see where our
>> > individual - and collective
>> >>> - imagination will lead us... which (kind
>> > of) brings me back to my first
>> >>> point. What sort of society can *we*
>> > imagine? How can *we* contribute to
>> >>> creating it?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Respectfully yours,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> David
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >>> SSC mailing list
>> > >>> SSC at lists.aktivix.org
>> > >>> https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/ssc
>> >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > > Message: 3
>> > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:11:34 +0100
>> > > From: Alan Gurbutt <agurbutt at g
>> > mail.com>
>> > To: David McAleavey <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com>
>> > Cc: ssc <ssc at lis
>> > ts.aktivix.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [SSC] A busy week ahead.
>> > > Message-ID:
>> > <C75337A9-571C-4A09-9DE5-BA8B3E0160DA at gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain;
>> > charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > > Hi David,
>> > >
>> > > I agree that individual experiences need to be
>> > addressed separately but wanted to explain the context behind Thursday's
>> > options and variation in school experiences. The ethos behind Alex Bloom's
>> > school, St George's in the East, could alleviate many of Mablethorpe's
>> > problems but it would take a strong will. Academic selection in our area
>> > has led to educational apartheid and community division. It's an elephant.
>> > Glad we're on the same page.
>> >
>> > > Not sure about communications, particularly email.
>> > It's obviously easier to be in Lincoln. It might help if members could
>> > exchange phone numbers.
>> >
>> > > Best wishes
>> > > Alan
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my iPad
>> > >
>> > > On 30 Sep 2012, at 20:38, David McAleavey <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> Alan,
>> > >>
>> > >> What happened to your daughter last Thursday
>> > needs to addressed separately. At present, I am unable to express my
>> > feelings.
>> >>
>> > >> I think our communication system has failed us
>> > again - the meeting scheduled for next Wednesday was agreed on (and posted
>> > to the list, I think) at the AGM (I think). A coffee at the Angel, a pint
>> > in the Jolly Brewer, a glass of wine over dinner at my place... it's the
>> > opportunity for dialogue, not the beverage, that counts.
>> >>
>> > >> Apologies about the minutes, but they will be
>> > posted asap.
>> >>
>> > >> I do not agree with selection full
>> > stop.
>> >>
>> > >> If you let Steve have your details, I am
>> > confident that your expenses will be covered.
>> >>
>> > >> Respectfully yours,
>> > >>
>> > >> David
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 30 September 2012 18:46, Alan Gurbutt <agurbutt at g
>> > mail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Hi David,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I have to say that I don't agree with you on
>> > several counts and I know my comments are not at all relevant, if they
>> > were, meetings would be consulted upon before being agreed. This is a
>> > rehash of in-between meetings from last week. There are no minutes from
>> > Saturday.
>> >>>
>> > >>> I agreed to take care of the website on
>> > Thursday only to find out today a meeting is scheduled for Wednesday to
>> > discuss its development. I'm not sure if I can afford to attend. If I am to
>> > attend I would add communication to the agenda i.e., learning support. Will
>> > work be eligible for travelling expenses?
>> >>>
>> > >>> Another point is - and it was raised at
>> > Michael Fielding's lecture - there is a disparity between community focused
>> > primary schools and market driven higher education. I noted the commentator
>> > said there were some exceptions to his positive experience with his primary
>> > school, but it didn't go far enough. Purposely so.
>> >>>
>> > >>> Michael Fielding was unaware of the
>> > continuation of academic selection as young as 10 years old in
>> > Lincolnshire. Ok, I could have spoken out, but I was concerned that talk of
>> > discrimination wouldn't bode well with the purpose of SSC. I want to raise
>> > this now.
>> >>>
>> > >>> What does one have to do in Lincolnshire to
>> > become involved in democratic education? I won't join the Labour Party, so
>> > was hoping for scope within SSC.
>> >>>
>> > >>> To reiterate, there is no representation for
>> > education on the Lincolnshire coast. CERD supported anti academies in
>> > Louth, yet appear to have no appetite to discuss rejection by 11+. Why is
>> > this? Furthermore, do you agree that children should be selected on
>> > faith?
>> >>>
>> > >>> Just to add some context. From personal
>> > experience, children on the coastal strip have been told in Y6 that if they
>> > are naughty they will go to our all ability schools and academies (they are
>> > not comprehensives), whereas, children who behave will go to grammar
>> > school. This is Lincolnshire's worst kept secret.
>> >>>
>> > >>> Back to the public lecture. I had a
>> > governor's meeting on Thursday so had to decide whether to attend the
>> > lecture or to honour my commitments at our school. The decision was taken
>> > out of my hands. I had spent the morning in school discussing how to
>> > improve outcomes for children with additional needs, but later that day my
>> > 12 year old daughter returned home covered in spit. It was in her hair and
>> > on her coat. She was deeply distraught and looked as though she felt
>> > violated. Grace has also had to endure text messages from troubled
>> > pupils.
>> >>>
>> > >>> I hate to admit it, but I don't think this
>> > would have happened in a grammar school or faith based school. The type of
>> > school my daughters attend is a byproduct of Lincolnshire's selective
>> > system - which, appears to be supported by the DfE. This is not to say
>> > teachers don't work bloody hard, but the odds are stacked against them.
>> > Academic selection distorts school intakes, lowers self-esteem and
>> > exacerbates austerity.
>> >>>
>> > >>> No, I don't want to think of SSC as a Greek
>> > / Roman Symposium. To me this would further instil snobbery, Plato elitism,
>> > already inherent in Lincolnshire education. I want to talk about real-life
>> > social issues with people who are able to think dialogically.
>> >>>
>> > >>> Alan
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Sent from my iPad
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 30 Sep 2012, at 13:57, David McAleavey
>> > <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> > >>>> Thanks for this Steve.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Thanks for offering to chair on 20.10
>> > (or 13.10, if we rationalise - and Alan's comment is VERY relevant re:
>> > deciding such things), and your enthusiasm for a SSC Symposium... if I
>> > remember correctly, wine was also considered a vital
>> > ingredient!
>> >>>>
>> > >>>> DM
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On 30 September 2012 10:08, STEPHEN
>> > HOPKINS <hop
>> > kins668 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> David and All
>> > >>>>> I will be at the Angel Coffee House
>> > on Tuesday but not at the business meeting on Wednesday.
>> >>>>> Re the agenda for Wednesday - I'd be
>> > happy to take the chair on the 20th October - although I wonder about
>> > rationalising a little and holding the meeting scheduled for the 20th on
>> > the 13th before/after the workshop if this is going ahead. I'm just
>> > conscious of peoples time.
>> >>>>> The idea of a meal sound a great
>> > one. Originally ( Greek and Roman ) a Symposium was a meeting with
>> > intellectual conversation following a meal. Perhaps we need to hold our
>> > first Symposium !
>> >>>>> Steve
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> From: David McAleavey <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com>
>> >>>>> To: ssc <ssc at lis
>> > ts.aktivix.org>
>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012,
>> > 7:26
>> >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Subject: [SSC] A busy week
>> > ahead.
>> >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Dear Alan and All,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> You will not be surprised to hear
>> > that I would welcome the opportunity to discuss the science, and creative
>> > potential, of our evolved capacities for social and individual learning...
>> > I'll get the first coffees on Tuesday Alan!
>> >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Tuesday: Can all scholars (student
>> > and teacher) raise their hand if they will be joining us at the Angel
>> > Coffee House at 6.00pm.
>> >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Wednesday: We have an organisational
>> > meeting at Pathways scheduled to start at 7.00pm
>> >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Proposed agenda
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> A new model for agenda
>> > setting/minute taking (Zoraida and David)
>> >>>>> Feedback on Michael's lecture
>> > (David)
>> >>>>> Feedback on 2nd October Angel (a
>> > student scholar)
>> >>>>> Decision making workshop proposal
>> > 13.10.2012 (Sara M.)
>> >>>>> Our Purpose... I propose a meal.
>> > (David)
>> >>>>> Website development
>> > >>>>> Sociological Imagination
>> > >>>>> Creative Projects (2013)
>> > >>>>> A chair for 20.10.12 (David and
>> > Sarah in Liverpool)
>> >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Please let me have any other items
>> > for the agenda.
>> >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Thursday
>> > >>>>> Thanks again to Sarah, Zoraida and
>> > Mike for facilitating this course, I think we're all excited to see where
>> > our individual - and collective - imagination will lead us... which (kind
>> > of) brings me back to my first point. What sort of society can we imagine?
>> > How can we contribute to creating it?
>> >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Respectfully yours,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> David
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> SSC mailing list
>> > >>>>> SSC at lists.aktivix.org
>> > >>>>> https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/ssc
>> >>>>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >>>> SSC mailing list
>> > >>>> SSC at lists.aktivix.org
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>> > >
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SSC mailing list
>> > > SSC at lists.aktivix.org
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>> > >
>> > > End of SSC Digest, Vol 21, Issue 27
>> > > ***********************************
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 22:04:22 +0200
>> > From: <sarah at socialsciencecentre.org.uk>
>> To: <ssc at lis
>> > ts.aktivix.org>
>> Subject: Re: [SSC] SSC Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1
>> > Message-ID: <50425.1349121862 at socialsciencecentre.org.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > Many thanks for pulling all that together, David.
>> >
>> > Hi Lisa -- really sorry for any confusion. We need to update the website
>> > fairly immediately. The Wednesday meeting is a bi-
>> weekly 'organisational' meeting that we've been having regularly for ages;
>> > there are dates for these on the website now that we agreed at
>> the big AGM in the spring. The Social Science Imagination course is running
>> > on Thursdays from 7-9 p.m. at Pathways Centre on Beaumont Fee,
>> and there will be informal gatherings and workshops available on Tuesdays
>> > or Wednesdays (e.g. one on the 17th on 'new ways of reading
>> newspapers'). There are also some Saturday workshops that are planned.
>> > We've only just got things really going, and there haven't been any
>> meetings outside meetings, only a short lull in which we don't have anyone
>> > looking after the website as diligently as we had before. I am
>> trying to finish a huge amount of work this evening for tomorrow, but will
>> > see if I can manage to do something with the online calendar
>> tonight...otherwise, tomorrow, or someone can perhaps beat me to it!
>> >
>> > I agree with Alan that it would be great to get some online discussions
>> > going of some of the texts that people have been recommending.
>> Perhaps we can do that soon.
>> >
>> > I will be at Pathways for the Social Science Imagination meeting on
>> > Thursday. I am teaching on Tuesdays until 6:00 p.m. so will not make all
>> >
>> of the informal gatherings. I will try to make the usual Wednesday
>> > meeting.
>> > Hi Jess -- as a matter of fact, I think we do know a couple people working
>> > in Wales, though not sure whether North or South. Mike, do you
>> remember who it was that we met in Bristol? I will try to recover the
>> > names.
>> > Wanted also to give a heads up and thanks to Megan, who has had some really
>> > interesting suggestions and who I'd like to chat to soon.
>> > In haste and looking forward to seeing other people on the course on
>> > Thursday.
>> > Best,
>> > Sarah
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon 1/10/12 16:05, ssc-request at lists.aktivix.org wrote:
>> > Send SSC mailing list submissions to
>> > > ssc at lis
>> > ts.aktivix.org
>> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web,
>> > visit
>> > https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/ssc
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>> > > 1. South Wales links? (Jesse)
>> > > 2. {Spam?} Launch of first Issue from 'gold' open
>> > access
>> > publisher Social Sciences Directory (Dan
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>> > 3. Re: SSC Digest, Vol 21, Issue 27
>> > (Ar_Kidda)
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>> > > Message: 1
>> > > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:33:28 +0100
>> > > From: Jesse <jess.aga
>> > > in at gmail.com
>> > >
>> To: ssc at lis
>> > ts.aktivix.org
>> > Subject: [SSC] South Wales links?
>> > > Message-ID:
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>> > <CANUO4HePkLCmdkP5bjMvZPRua71o9+em0i8qKC8JM7E7z_9r=A at mail.gmail.com>
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>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > I joined this list a while ago because I am very
>> > interested in your
>> > project and have considered variations on the theme
>> > for a couple of
>> > years now - mainly in the privacy of my own
>> > head!
>> >
>> > > I am a Lit. & Cultural Theory PhD student, just
>> > started at Cardiff
>> > University, and would be interested to know if
>> > anyone in this group
>> > has contacts in S. Wales who might be interested to
>> > start thinking
>> > about a similar Cooperative Education Centre here -
>> > I am new to area
>> > so don't - although I'm working on it!
>> > >
>> > > I'd also love to hear from anyone who has some good
>> > tips on the kind
>> > of knowledge, people and skills needed to set this
>> > kind of project up,
>> > and how long it took your group to get the point of
>> > being able to
>> > launch the Centre.
>> > >
>> > > Many thanks in advance,
>> > >
>> > > Jess Farr
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > >
>> > > Message: 2
>> > > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 16:12:11 +0100
>> > > From: "Dan Scott" <dan.scott at socialsciencesdirectory.com>
>> To: <ssc at lis
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>> > Subject: [SSC] {Spam?} Launch of first Issue from 'gold' open access
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>> > > Message: 3
>> > > Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 17:04:48 +0100
>> > > From: Ar_Kidda <ar_kidda@
>> > > riseup.net>
>> > To: ssc at lis
>> > ts.aktivix.org
>> > Subject: Re: [SSC] SSC Digest, Vol 21, Issue 27
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>> > > On 30/09/2012 22:11, ssc-request at lists.aktivix.org wrote:
>> > Send SSC mailing list submissions to
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>> > > > Today's Topics:
>> > > >
>> > > > 1. Meeting on Wednesday (Darryl
>> > > Baker)
>> > > 2. Re: A busy week ahead. (David
>> > > McAleavey)
>> > > 3. Re: A busy week ahead. (Alan
>> > > Gurbutt)
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > > > Message: 1
>> > > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:57:38
>> > +0100
>> > > From: Darryl Baker <baker
>> > > 402 at btinte
>> > rnet.com>
>> > To: "SSC at lists.aktivix.org"
>> > > <SSC at lists.aktivix.org>
>> > > Subject: [SSC] Meeting on Wednesday
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>> > > > Hi all I wish to convey my apologies for the
>> > next
>> > meeting on Wednesday due to a long standing family
>> > commitment.
>> >
>> > > > Darryl
>> > > >
>> > > > Sent from my iPad
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > ------------------------------
>> > > >
>> > > > Message: 2
>> > > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:38:27
>> > +0100
>> > > From: David McAleavey <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com>
>> > To: Alan Gurbutt <agurbutt at g
>> > > mail.com>
>> > > Cc: ssc <ssc at lis
>> > ts.aktivix.org>
>> > > Subject: Re: [SSC] A busy week ahead.
>> > > > Message-ID:
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > <CADx5COqu8AcFSL9zntD53K+KCtcVe7JMbSWY8V2cH7H4GBvUTg at mail.gmail
>> >
>> > .com>
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>> > >
>> > > > Alan,
>> > > >
>> > > > What happened to your daughter last Thursday
>> > needs
>> > to addressed separately.
>> > > At present, I am unable to express my
>> > > feelings.
>> > >
>> > > > I think our communication system has failed us
>> > again
>> > - the meeting
>> > > scheduled for next Wednesday was agreed on
>> > (and
>> > posted to the list, I
>> > > think) at the AGM (I think). A coffee at the
>> > Angel,
>> > a pint in the Jolly
>> > > Brewer, a glass of wine over dinner at my
>> > place...
>> > it's the opportunity for
>> > > dialogue, not the beverage, that counts.
>> > > >
>> > > > Apologies about the minutes, but they will be
>> > posted
>> > asap.
>> > >
>> > > > I do not agree with selection full
>> > stop.
>> > >
>> > > > If you let Steve have your details, I am
>> > confident
>> > that your expenses will
>> > > be covered.
>> > > >
>> > > > Respectfully yours,
>> > > >
>> > > > David
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 30 September 2012 18:46, Alan Gurbutt
>> > <agurbutt at g
>> > mail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >> Hi David,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I have to say that I don't agree with you
>> > on
>> > several counts and I know my
>> > >> comments are not at all relevant, if they
>> > were,
>> > meetings would be consulted
>> > >> upon before being agreed. This is a rehash
>> > of
>> > in-between meetings from last
>> > >> week. There are no minutes from
>> > > Saturday.
>> > >>
>> > > >> I agreed to take care of the website on
>> > Thursday
>> > only to find out today a
>> > >> meeting is scheduled for Wednesday to
>> > discuss
>> > its development. I'm not sure
>> > >> if I can afford to attend. If I am to attend
>> > I
>> > would add communication to
>> > >> the agenda i.e., learning support. Will work
>> > be
>> > eligible for travelling
>> > >> expenses?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Another point is - and it was raised at
>> > Michael
>> > Fielding's lecture - there
>> > >> is a disparity between community focused
>> > primary
>> > schools and market driven
>> > >> higher education. I noted the commentator
>> > said
>> > there were some exceptions
>> > >> to his positive experience with his
>> > primary
>> > school, but it didn't go far
>> > >> enough. Purposely so.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Michael Fielding was unaware of the
>> > continuation
>> > of academic selection as
>> > >> young as 10 years old in Lincolnshire. Ok,
>> > I
>> > could have spoken out, but I
>> > >> was concerned that talk of
>> > discrimination
>> > wouldn't bode well with the
>> > >> purpose of SSC. I want to raise this
>> > > now.
>> > >>
>> > > >> What does one have to do in Lincolnshire
>> > to
>> > become involved in democratic
>> > >> education? I won't join the Labour Party, so
>> > was
>> > hoping for scope within
>> > >> SSC.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> To reiterate, there is no representation
>> > for
>> > education on the Lincolnshire
>> > >> coast. CERD supported anti academies in
>> > Louth,
>> > yet appear to have no
>> > >> appetite to discuss rejection by 11+. Why
>> > is
>> > this? Furthermore, do you
>> > >> agree that children should be selected
>> > on
>> > faith?
>> > >>
>> > > >> Just to add some context. From
>> > personal
>> > experience, children on the
>> > >> coastal strip have been told in Y6 that if
>> > they
>> > are naughty they will go to
>> > >> our all ability schools and academies (they
>> > are
>> > not comprehensives),
>> > >> whereas, children who behave will go to
>> > grammar
>> > school. This is
>> > >> Lincolnshire's worst kept secret.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Back to the public lecture. I had a
>> > governor's
>> > meeting on Thursday so had
>> > >> to decide whether to attend the lecture or
>> > to
>> > honour my commitments at our
>> > >> school. The decision was taken out of my
>> > hands.
>> > I had spent the morning in
>> > >> school discussing how to improve outcomes
>> > for
>> > children with additional
>> > >> needs, but later that day my 12 year
>> > old
>> > daughter returned home covered in
>> > >> spit. It was in her hair and on her coat.
>> > She
>> > was deeply distraught and
>> > >> looked as though she felt violated. Grace
>> > has
>> > also had to endure text
>> > >> messages from troubled pupils.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I hate to admit it, but I don't think this
>> > would
>> > have happened in a
>> > >> grammar school or faith based school. The
>> > type
>> > of school my daughters
>> > >> attend is a byproduct of
>> > Lincolnshire's
>> > selective system - which, appears
>> > >> to be supported by the DfE. This is not to
>> > say
>> > teachers don't work bloody
>> > >> hard, but the odds are stacked against
>> > them.
>> > Academic selection distorts
>> > >> school intakes, lowers self-esteem
>> > and
>> > exacerbates austerity.
>> > >>
>> > > >> No, I don't want to think of SSC as a Greek
>> > /
>> > Roman Symposium. To me this
>> > >> would further instil snobbery, Plato
>> > elitism,
>> > already inherent in
>> > >> Lincolnshire education. I want to talk
>> > about
>> > real-life social issues with
>> > >> people who are able to think
>> > > dialogically.
>> > >>
>> > > >> Alan
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Sent from my iPad
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On 30 Sep 2012, at 13:57, David McAleavey
>> > <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Thanks for this Steve.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Thanks for offering to chair on 20.10 (or
>> > 13.10,
>> > if we rationalise - and
>> > >> Alan's comment is VERY relevant re:
>> > deciding
>> > such things), and your
>> > >> enthusiasm for a SSC Symposium... if I
>> > remember
>> > correctly, wine was also
>> > >> considered a vital ingredient!
>> > > >>
>> > > >> DM
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On 30 September 2012 10:08, STEPHEN
>> > HOPKINS
>> > <hop
>> > > kins66
>> > 8 at btinternet.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> > > >>> David and All
>> > > >>> I will be at the Angel Coffee House
>> > on
>> > Tuesday but not at the business
>> > >>> meeting on Wednesday.
>> > > >>> Re the agenda for Wednesday - I'd be
>> > happy
>> > to take the chair on the 20th
>> > >>> October - although I wonder
>> > about
>> > rationalising a little and holding the
>> > >>> meeting scheduled for the 20th on the
>> > 13th
>> > before/after the workshop if
>> > >>> this is going ahead. I'm just conscious
>> > of
>> > peoples time.
>> > >>> The idea of a meal sound a great
>> > one.
>> > Originally ( Greek and Roman ) a
>> > >>> Symposium was a meeting with
>> > intellectual
>> > conversation following a meal.
>> > >>> Perhaps we need to hold our first
>> > Symposium
>> > !
>> > >>> Steve
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > >>> *From:* David McAleavey <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com>
>> >>> *To:* ssc <ssc at lis
>> > ts.aktivix.org>
>> > >>> *Sent:* Sunday, 30 September
>> > 2012,
>> > 7:26
>> > >>>
>> > > >>> *Subject:* [SSC] A busy
>> > week
>> > ahead.
>> > >>>
>> > > >>> Dear Alan and All,
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> You will not be surprised to hear that
>> > I
>> > would welcome the opportunity to
>> > >>> discuss the science, and creative
>> > potential,
>> > of our evolved capacities for
>> > >>> social and individual learning... I'll
>> > get
>> > the first coffees on Tuesday
>> > >>> Alan!
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Tuesday: Can all scholars (student
>> > and
>> > teacher) raise their hand if they
>> > >>> will be joining us at the Angel Coffee
>> > House
>> > at 6.00pm.
>> > >>>
>> > > >>> Wednesday: We have an organisational
>> > meeting
>> > at Pathways scheduled to
>> > >>> start at 7.00pm
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Proposed agenda
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> A new model for agenda setting/minute
>> > taking
>> > (Zoraida and David)
>> > >>> Feedback on Michael's lecture
>> > > (David)
>> > >>> Feedback on 2nd October Angel (a
>> > student
>> > scholar)
>> > >>> Decision making workshop proposal
>> > 13.10.2012
>> > (Sara M.)
>> > >>> Our Purpose... I propose a meal.
>> > > (David)
>> > >>> Website development
>> > > >>> Sociological Imagination
>> > > >>> Creative Projects (2013)
>> > > >>> A chair for 20.10.12 (David and Sarah
>> > in
>> > Liverpool)
>> > >>>
>> > > >>> Please let me have any other items for
>> > the
>> > agenda.
>> > >>>
>> > > >>> Thursday
>> > > >>> Thanks again to Sarah, Zoraida and Mike
>> > for
>> > facilitating this course, I
>> > >>> think we're all excited to see where
>> > our
>> > individual - and collective
>> > >>> - imagination will lead us... which
>> > (kind
>> > of) brings me back to my first
>> > >>> point. What sort of society can
>> > *we*
>> > imagine? How can *we* contribute to
>> > >>> creating it?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Respectfully yours,
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> David
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >>> SSC mailing list
>> > > >>> SSC at lists.aktivix.org
>> > > >>> https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/ssc
>> >>>>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >> SSC mailing list
>> > > >> SSC at lists.aktivix.org
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>> > > > Message: 3
>> > > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:11:34
>> > +0100
>> > > From: Alan Gurbutt <agurbutt at g
>> > > mail.com>
>> > > To: David McAleavey <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com>
>> > Cc: ssc <ssc at lis
>> > ts.aktivix.org>
>> > > Subject: Re: [SSC] A busy week ahead.
>> > > > Message-ID:
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>> > <C75337A9-571C-4A09-9DE5-BA8B3E0160DA at gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain;
>> > > charset="us-ascii"
>> > >
>> > > > Hi David,
>> > > >
>> > > > I agree that individual experiences need to
>> > be
>> > addressed separately but wanted to explain the
>> > context behind Thursday's
>> > options and variation in school experiences. The
>> > ethos behind Alex Bloom's
>> > school, St George's in the East, could alleviate
>> > many of Mablethorpe's
>> > problems but it would take a strong will. Academic
>> > selection in our area
>> > has led to educational apartheid and community
>> > division. It's an elephant.
>> > Glad we're on the same page.
>> > >
>> > > > Not sure about communications, particularly
>> > email.
>> > It's obviously easier to be in Lincoln. It might
>> > help if members could
>> > exchange phone numbers.
>> > >
>> > > > Best wishes
>> > > > Alan
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Sent from my iPad
>> > > >
>> > > > On 30 Sep 2012, at 20:38, David McAleavey
>> > <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >> Alan,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> What happened to your daughter last
>> > Thursday
>> > needs to addressed separately. At present, I am
>> > unable to express my
>> > feelings.
>> > >>
>> > > >> I think our communication system has failed
>> > us
>> > again - the meeting scheduled for next Wednesday was
>> > agreed on (and posted
>> > to the list, I think) at the AGM (I think). A coffee
>> > at the Angel, a pint
>> > in the Jolly Brewer, a glass of wine over dinner at
>> > my place... it's the
>> > opportunity for dialogue, not the beverage, that
>> > counts.
>> >>
>> > > >> Apologies about the minutes, but they will
>> > be
>> > posted asap.
>> > >>
>> > > >> I do not agree with selection
>> > full
>> > stop.
>> > >>
>> > > >> If you let Steve have your details, I
>> > am
>> > confident that your expenses will be
>> > covered.
>> >>
>> > > >> Respectfully yours,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> David
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On 30 September 2012 18:46, Alan Gurbutt
>> > <agurbutt at g
>> > mail.com> wrote:
>> > >>> Hi David,
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> I have to say that I don't agree with
>> > you on
>> > several counts and I know my comments are not at all
>> > relevant, if they
>> > were, meetings would be consulted upon before being
>> > agreed. This is a
>> > rehash of in-between meetings from last week. There
>> > are no minutes from
>> > Saturday.
>> > >>>
>> > > >>> I agreed to take care of the website
>> > on
>> > Thursday only to find out today a meeting is
>> > scheduled for Wednesday to
>> > discuss its development. I'm not sure if I can
>> > afford to attend. If I am to
>> > attend I would add communication to the agenda i.e.,
>> > learning support. Will
>> > work be eligible for travelling
>> > expenses?
>> >>>
>> > > >>> Another point is - and it was raised
>> > at
>> > Michael Fielding's lecture - there is a disparity
>> > between community focused
>> > primary schools and market driven higher education.
>> > I noted the commentator
>> > said there were some exceptions to his positive
>> > experience with his primary
>> > school, but it didn't go far enough. Purposely
>> > so.
>> >>>
>> > > >>> Michael Fielding was unaware of
>> > the
>> > continuation of academic selection as young as 10
>> > years old in
>> > Lincolnshire. Ok, I could have spoken out, but I was
>> > concerned that talk of
>> > discrimination wouldn't bode well with the purpose
>> > of SSC. I want to raise
>> > this now.
>> > >>>
>> > > >>> What does one have to do in
>> > Lincolnshire to
>> > become involved in democratic education? I won't
>> > join the Labour Party, so
>> > was hoping for scope within SSC.
>> > >>>
>> > > >>> To reiterate, there is no
>> > representation for
>> > education on the Lincolnshire coast. CERD supported
>> > anti academies in
>> > Louth, yet appear to have no appetite to discuss
>> > rejection by 11+. Why is
>> > this? Furthermore, do you agree that children should
>> > be selected on
>> > faith?
>> > >>>
>> > > >>> Just to add some context. From
>> > personal
>> > experience, children on the coastal strip have been
>> > told in Y6 that if they
>> > are naughty they will go to our all ability schools
>> > and academies (they are
>> > not comprehensives), whereas, children who behave
>> > will go to grammar
>> > school. This is Lincolnshire's worst kept
>> > secret.
>> >>>
>> > > >>> Back to the public lecture. I had
>> > a
>> > governor's meeting on Thursday so had to decide
>> > whether to attend the
>> > lecture or to honour my commitments at our school.
>> > The decision was taken
>> > out of my hands. I had spent the morning in school
>> > discussing how to
>> > improve outcomes for children with additional needs,
>> > but later that day my
>> > 12 year old daughter returned home covered in spit.
>> > It was in her hair and
>> > on her coat. She was deeply distraught and looked as
>> > though she felt
>> > violated. Grace has also had to endure text messages
>> > from troubled
>> > pupils.
>> > >>>
>> > > >>> I hate to admit it, but I don't think
>> > this
>> > would have happened in a grammar school or faith
>> > based school. The type of
>> > school my daughters attend is a byproduct of
>> > Lincolnshire's selective
>> > system - which, appears to be supported by the DfE.
>> > This is not to say
>> > teachers don't work bloody hard, but the odds are
>> > stacked against them.
>> > Academic selection distorts school intakes, lowers
>> > self-esteem and
>> > exacerbates austerity.
>> > >>>
>> > > >>> No, I don't want to think of SSC as a
>> > Greek
>> > / Roman Symposium. To me this would further instil
>> > snobbery, Plato elitism,
>> > already inherent in Lincolnshire education. I want
>> > to talk about real-life
>> > social issues with people who are able to think
>> > dialogically.
>> >>>
>> > > >>> Alan
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Sent from my iPad
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On 30 Sep 2012, at 13:57, David
>> > McAleavey
>> > <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> > > >>>> Thanks for this Steve.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Thanks for offering to chair on
>> > 20.10
>> > (or 13.10, if we rationalise - and Alan's comment is
>> > VERY relevant re:
>> > deciding such things), and your enthusiasm for a SSC
>> > Symposium... if I
>> > remember correctly, wine was also considered a
>> > vital
>> > ingredient!
>> > >>>>
>> > > >>>> DM
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> On 30 September 2012 10:08,
>> > STEPHEN
>> > HOPKINS <hop
>> > > kins66
>> > 8 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> David and All
>> > > >>>>> I will be at the Angel Coffee
>> > House
>> > on Tuesday but not at the business meeting on
>> > Wednesday.
>> >>>>> Re the agenda for Wednesday - I'd
>> > be
>> > happy to take the chair on the 20th October -
>> > although I wonder about
>> > rationalising a little and holding the meeting
>> > scheduled for the 20th on
>> > the 13th before/after the workshop if this is going
>> > ahead. I'm just
>> > conscious of peoples time.
>> > >>>>> The idea of a meal sound a
>> > great
>> > one. Originally ( Greek and Roman ) a Symposium was
>> > a meeting with
>> > intellectual conversation following a meal. Perhaps
>> > we need to hold our
>> > first Symposium !
>> > >>>>> Steve
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> From: David McAleavey <davidmcaleavey at virginmedia.com>
>> >>>>> To: ssc <ssc at lis
>> > ts.aktivix.org>
>> > >>>>> Sent: Sunday, 30 September
>> > 2012,
>> > 7:26
>> > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Subject: [SSC] A busy
>> > week
>> > ahead.
>> > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Dear Alan and All,
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> You will not be surprised to
>> > hear
>> > that I would welcome the opportunity to discuss the
>> > science, and creative
>> > potential, of our evolved capacities for social and
>> > individual learning...
>> > I'll get the first coffees on Tuesday
>> > Alan!
>> >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Tuesday: Can all scholars
>> > (student
>> > and teacher) raise their hand if they will be
>> > joining us at the Angel
>> > Coffee House at 6.00pm.
>> > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Wednesday: We have an
>> > organisational
>> > meeting at Pathways scheduled to start at
>> > 7.00pm
>> >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Proposed agenda
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> A new model for
>> > agenda
>> > setting/minute taking (Zoraida and
>> > David)
>> >>>>> Feedback on Michael's
>> > lecture
>> > (David)
>> > >>>>> Feedback on 2nd October Angel
>> > (a
>> > student scholar)
>> > >>>>> Decision making workshop
>> > proposal
>> > 13.10.2012 (Sara M.)
>> > >>>>> Our Purpose... I propose a
>> > meal.
>> > (David)
>> > >>>>> Website development
>> > > >>>>> Sociological
>> > Imagination
>> > >>>>> Creative Projects
>> > (2013)
>> > >>>>> A chair for 20.10.12 (David
>> > and
>> > Sarah in Liverpool)
>> > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Please let me have any other
>> > items
>> > for the agenda.
>> > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Thursday
>> > > >>>>> Thanks again to Sarah, Zoraida
>> > and
>> > Mike for facilitating this course, I think we're all
>> > excited to see where
>> > our individual - and collective - imagination will
>> > lead us... which (kind
>> > of) brings me back to my first point. What sort of
>> > society can we imagine?
>> > How can we contribute to creating it?
>> > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Respectfully yours,
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> David
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > >
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>> > > Dear all,
>> > >
>> > > As some of you know, I've only recently joined the
>> > SCC and at the moment
>> >
>> > I am very confused indeed.
>> > >
>> > > According to the SSC Website, the meetings this week
>> > are on Wednesday
>> > (Pathways). However, this mailing list mentions
>> > meetings on Tuesdays,
>> > Wednesdays and Thursdays of this week. I can only
>> > attend one of these,
>> >
>> > so can anyone elaborate on what these meetings are for?
>> > >
>> > > Many thanks,
>> > > Lisa White
>> > >
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