[Ssf] Fallujah: murder televised on TV

Danny forum_mail at monkeynews.net
Fri Nov 12 18:52:36 GMT 2004

Hi Cuthbert,
ok this is the kind of talk I like to hear. Sooner or later we will have to
take it off list however.
I agree with Dan's suggestion about getting involved at one of the events
during Islam Awareness
Week. If we're talking direct action, then there are two things we should
bear in mind, especially
with regard to how to engage in some kind of effective tactics:

1) The realpolitik of Peak Oil.
2) The umbilical cord that ties the UK to the US.

There are some options for 1) that can be done locally (subvertisement for
example) tackling
2) requires we look seriously at working with other groups nationally (I'm
thinking Wombles,
CND, rather than the "politicool" sellouts).

People are probably sick of endless chants of 'no war', so we need to go to
the roots.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "noone noone" <machinevman at hotmail.com>
To: <Ssf at lists.aktivix.org>;
<sheffield-anti-war-coalition at yahoogroups.co.uk>; <grawn at lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Ssf] Fallujah: murder televised on TV

>   Fallujah is a turning point for the occupation, Vietnam did not suddenly
> "start" it crept up on the US.  Kennedy took the US into Vietnam and it
> started well with very relativly few casualties but turned into the most
> financially expensive war of all time.  Fallujah has triggered uprisings
> kirkuk and mosul - these are areas with a large proportion of kurds who
> apparently "supported" the war.  Day by day US and british troops are
> dragged further and further into Iraq, the iraqi army and police are
> non-exsistant with only about 20 000 fully effective people in their
> The US is training them so fast that they are being killed easier than
> and out of the 20 000 or so fully effective iraqi soldiors over a third of
> them are being used in the fallujah operation.
>   The political situation in Iraq is dire, the prime ministers relatives
> being targetted, the grand ayatolla ali cistani is still popular but even
> as a moderate has requested the americans leave, the so called 'terrorist'
> zaquawi is an irrelevence and as far as i am concerned may not even
> He may have a high profile in the US or Europe but interveiw after
> with the iraqi resistance has shown that the vast majority of the
> are not 'foreign fighters' or al quaeda associates, they are reasonable
> people trying to defend their country from turning into the new saudi
> arabia.
>   I have no interest into going to another public meeting with the usual
> labour party pacifist, SWP demagogue and a representative from the
> palestinian solidarity campaign.  Vigils are ok but in the end all they do
> is ease empire guilt and conceinces, nowadays they don't even get
>   The only real option is direct action which has unfortunatly been
> effectivly condemned by the stop the war coalition, when i tabled a
> resolution saying that the stop the war coalition should support direct
> action unfortunatly it was blocked by the so called "marxists" of the SWP
> and the rest.  These are the people that preach the russian revolution but
> when it comes to actually doing somthing that isnt preaching within their
> little circles the room goes suspiciously silent.  Without getting into
> deep philosophical debate i believe that it was marx that said something
> along the lines of: "the time has gone for interpreting the world, it is
> task to change it", i find it ironic that the so called 'class worriors'
> up putting all their hopes into the basket of rebbelling labour MP's who
> lets face it are (without exception) part of the dominant class and have
> been attacking our brothers and sisters ever since their election in 1997.
>   We are now in a situation where direct action is needed now to prevent
> further loss of life, it is time to put our trust in the iraqi people, the
> middle east is not our territory to impose our values on and the iraq war
> not ours to fight.  It is an essentially racist right wing argument to
> that the iraqis are not capable to look after themselves and if left to
> themselve this government has claimed that the iraqis will not resist the
> reactionairy forces but instead the occupying power is "letting the
> terrorists take over".  It is time to stop this government from messing
> around in someone elses back yard...
>   The reason for this email is to say that i dont want another walk around
> the city centre i want to say that in principle i am wanting and willing
> carryout direct action.  I ask: Is the sence of feeling strong enough for
> others to take this step, if it is just say so and we can work out the
> practicalities later, if it isnt then just forget i ever said anything...
> yours faithfully
> cuthbert
> >From: Dan <dan at aktivix.org>
> >To: dave thompson <mpower0 at yahoo.com>, Ssf at lists.aktivix.org
> >Subject: Re: [Ssf] Fallujah: murder televised on TV
> >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:05:28 +0000
> >
> >Have you seen what else is going on around Iraq? -
> >
> >US-led troops find three Iraqi contractors and an Iraqi taxi-driver in
> >Falluja believed to be held as hostages
> >
> >At least 17 people are killed in a car bomb in a busy Baghdad shopping
> >
> >Masked insurgents in northern Mosul attack several police stations and
> >weapons and ammunition, before setting at least two of them on fire. The
> >attacks prompt US strikes against suspected rebel targets
> >
> >Kirkuk Governor Abdulrahman Mustafa escapes an assassination attempt in
> >northern city, but several people are injured in the bomb attack on his
> >convoy.
> >
> >Can we call it a 'descent into chaos' yet? Nah! As Laura Bush says, "I
> >truly believe that Iraq is becoming a democracy." Hey, perhaps if we all
> >believe enough! And anyone that doesn't believe, well... we can just
> >the fuckers!
> >
> >Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >dave thompson wrote:
> >
> >>Hello,
> >>I have just witnessed a murder on tv and on Sky news
> >>at least, the journalist condoning the murder..
> >>
> >>dt
> >>
> >>
> >>During the battle for Fallujah, they showed a marine
> >>saying, "I've just injured one, he's between the two
> >>buildings". At that moment another marine walks over
> >>to the gap between the two houses, he then climbs on a
> >>forty four gallon drum aims his gun at the injured
> >>Iraqi and fires one shot.
> >>
> >>The Sky reporter: the veteran David Chater, whose
> >>report incidentially did not include the caveat, that
> >>it was 'compiled under U.S military restrictions' just
> >>says something like: 'they cannot risk suicide bombers
> >>blowing themselves up'
> >>
> >>I am writing to them for the transcript unless someone
> >>on here knows exactly what he said.
> >>
> >>So there we have it, a major crime, a wounded man
> >>executed and then endorsed by a British TV journalist
> >>
> >>
> >>And they call it a war for civilisation...
> >>
> >>
> >>
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