[ssf] !7th Feb meet report (announced events)

Mon Feb 21 14:02:08 GMT 2005

> Amp - wanna meet to get this done, or are you happy to draft one for
> the list, for the collective's approval?

Hia, :-)

  i think if it's OK for you, i will be happy to draft one announcement
text for the list, for the collective's approval.

What I would need *to know* is :
Are there any contributors sending events or wishing to send events 
other than the
ones made public by the ssf-list? (which i can read). Any other posts by
non members sending events and waiting for moderators' approval?
If anyone could check that, and let me know, fantastic.

Then if you don't object, I will go ahead with the draft.
If any doubt or problem arises, I will contact this list for collective
help and meet you if convenient.

  Does anyone think this should be a monthly bulletin, ?
Not a fortnightly bulletin? There are so many events in the next 30
days, the list could easily reach 10 pages.

>> "What is needed then is a new kind of imperialism, one acceptable
>> to a world of human rights and cosmopolitan values. We can already
>> discern its outline: an imperialism which, like all imperialism,
>> aims to bring order and organisation but which rests today on the
>> voluntary principle." )
>> 
>> [New Labour's Robert Cooper - Tony Blair's 'policy guru' and senior
>>  diplomat.]

[which rests *today* on the *voluntary principle*]

what the hell does it mean, today (not tomorrow?) voluntary?

Dan wrote:
> Hia!
> 
> Here's my initial thoughts, along with a link to the WIKI page where
>  I've put the G8 notes -
> 
> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2005/02/305597.html
> 
> http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/SheffieldG7
> 
> On the announcements list - we should pass a new one by this list,
> then get it sent out.
> 
> Amp - wanna meet to get this done, or are you happy to draft one for
> the list, for the collective's approval?
> 
> Good work, everyone!  The top nutters are coming to Sheffield in
> June: the ones who use this kind of logic:
> 
> "Sovereignty entails obligations.  One is not to massacre your own 
> people. Another is not to support terrorism in any way. If a
> government fails to meet these obligations, then it forfeits some of
> the normal advantages of sovereignty, including the right to be left
> alone inside your own territory. Other governments, including the US,
> gain the right to intervene. In the case of terrorism this can even
> lead to a right of preventive, or peremptory, self-defence."
> 
> (And, of course, if we broaden our definition of terrorism, we get to
>  impose our imperialism, which is defined thus  - )
> 
> "What is needed then is a new kind of imperialism, one acceptable to
> a world of human rights and cosmopolitan values. We can already
> discern its outline: an imperialism which, like all imperialism, aims
> to bring order and organisation but which rests today on the
> voluntary principle." )
> 
> [New Labour's Robert Cooper - Tony Blair's 'policy guru' and senior 
> diplomat.]
> 
> (i.e. 'yes! yes! colonise us! We're poor and we're stupid and we need
>  the first world to tell us what to do, coz you're so clever and
> brave and true and free!')
> 
> I'm curious about that one: "Sovereignty entails obligations.  One is
>  not to massacre your own people."
> 
> That's from Richard Haass - was Powell's director of policy in 2002.
>  What about taking all the money from most of your poor people to 
> subsidise the rich and pay for a war, and then get all those poor
> people to get drafted?  Yeah, I'm sure that's fine.
> 
> How - no, really, *how*, do these f*ckers get away with this?  I
> concur once again with CM - "Bunch of sticking capitalist
> twattymuffins. Lets blow shit up."
> 
> Ah ha!  That should *surely* be enough for both of us to get put
> under house arrest, no?  I'm sure it's more evidence than most others
> have attached to them!
> 
> peace - no, really! - peace. Peace, but anger.
> 
> Dan ----
> 
> @mparo wrote:
> 
>> Thanks to you, Alice, and particularly to the ones that did the
>> washing up after the meeting and all the cooking. Fan-tas-tically
>> cool, yes. What were the opinions, if already known, about "too
>> structured or too chaotic"?
>> 
>> R&A
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Alice Collins wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, Loads of thanks to everyone who came; talked;
>>> listened; organised themselves; cooked food; ate it ; shifted
>>> tables; washed up; drank beer afterwards. I think the Big Open
>>> Meeting was exciting. Love alice.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan" <dan at aktivix.org> To: 
>>> <Ssf at lists.aktivix.org> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 12:09 PM
>>>  Subject: [Ssf] Ideas for 2005...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> So, yup, to follow on from the last e-mail, here's some ideas:
>>>> 
>>>> * A social: music, spoken word, film, art, light and people
>>>> setting fire to sticks dipped in paraffin and spinning them
>>>> round their heads.  Not been enough of this in recent times,
>>>> for God's sake.
>>>> 
>>>> Issues: Indymedia want to raise money for the server appeal
>>>> (can we help?) Peace in the Park - what's happening there? Are
>>>> they doing a social fundraiser?
>>>> 
>>>> *SSF2005:  Yeah, maybe... but another thought - have a smaller 
>>>> event during the G8 Sheffield stuff, but speak to Peace in the
>>>> Park people about possibly doing workshops / having a
>>>> 'leftfield' tent(s) at peace in the park, in place of in indoor
>>>> event.
>>>> 
>>>> * Organise a specific event on regeneration.  I keep on going
>>>> on about this one and not doing anything about it... but it
>>>> ties in to so many things: G8, food sovereignty, local vs
>>>> global, local democratic control, giving the powers that be a
>>>> chance to state their case, giving us leftie rock-throwers a
>>>> chance to find out if they're human...
>>>> 
>>>> * Hungry for Justice and the launch of the Green Food Map -
>>>> there's a post-conference plan for a Hungry for Justice website
>>>> that'll have the transcripts from the conference (some of the
>>>> stuff is FANTASTIC!  I should stick the doc on the WIKI...)
>>>> along with resources on how to campaign, why it's such a
>>>> political issue, how it ties local to global, etc... SSF could
>>>> help mediate all this into a really good event, inviting
>>>> Healthy Sheffield etc.
>>>> 
>>>> * City Fair Trade status - a chance to get SSF, P&P, WDM,
>>>> Christian Aid etc together to talk about this one campaign.
>>>> 
>>>> * Seeds for Change - offering them help to organise here.  Has 
>>>> someone else already done this?
>>>> 
>>>> * A 'speak truth to power' workshop event: how to get what you
>>>> want from the powers that be: what their limitations and uses
>>>> are.
>>>> 
>>>> * Day trips!  Let's go to Manchester, see Merci, go to the new 
>>>> Dissent cafe / bookshop / space - which is ABSOLUTELY
>>>> FANTASTIC! They also have an 'urban art exhibition'  -
>>>> someone's gone around and got photos of all the fantastic
>>>> graffiti, most of it beautiful and anti-corporate, and put it
>>>> all on the wall.  But you can also tour around the place with a
>>>> handy guide!
>>>> 
>>>> Or to Hebden Bridge, or up to Leeds to meet the Leeds ARC folk,
>>>> go to Maelstrom, whatever...
>>>> 
>>>> Er... that'll do for now.
>>>> 
>>>> Peace!
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade
>>>> you do not expect to sit.
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