[Fwd: Re: [Ssf] MPH meeting]
Chris Malins
c.malins at sheffield.ac.uk
Fri Jan 21 12:33:43 GMT 2005
Just to prove my point I just accidentally sent this to only Dan. Second
time lucky.
As far as I'm concerned, mostly if one of my emails in reply to
something on the list is 'private' it means that I forgot to hit reply
to all instead of reply. So please feel free to assume that I'm happy
for my emails to go on list even if they are sent privately, just so
long as there is no content about individuals in them, and i don't
specifically say I'm going off-list on a topic. Indeed, I'm usually
happy for anything i put on list to be posted on the web, for instance
my list of upcoming stuff from yesterday, should anyone want to. Of
course, if in doubt, easiest thing is to ask.
Of course, I'm not trying to speak for anyone except myself with that.
Chris
Dan wrote:
> Is that twice now that someone's forwarded e-mails to the list that were
> sent privately to the individual forwarding?
>
> Baad!
>
> Or did I miss an e-mail, Chris?
>
> Dan
>
> dave thompson wrote:
>
>> hi, thanks for the reply Chris, a well balanced and
>> thought out response is what i was hoping for. like
>> you I do care about the disgusting poverty, etc in the
>> developing world and we should campaign as much as
>> possible on these issues. I am just get concerned that
>> over the the years, domestic issues have been
>> forgotten, there is no or little campaigning on
>> welfare et,even by the TUC, but lots on a war(for
>> instance) we can do little about. I also know from
>> experience, that why many of the individuals you cite
>> do care about poverty, exclusion, etc and indeed often
>> work in the filed, their personal attitudes to the uk
>> poor is very circumspect.(see earlier posts for
>> examples.)
>>
>> In a later post i will try to explain why one needs to
>> show support for injustices here in order to maintain
>> support elsewhere. Maybe, we shouldn't forget, we have
>> been experiencing a boom , housing prices,etc, when
>> this crashes as it will,some people may feel even more
>> alienated and turn to simplistic nasty solutions to
>> their problems.
>>
>> regards
>> dt
>> hope to see folks at the Caroline Lucas/Green Party
>> meeting tonight.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Chris Malins <chrismalins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Dear Dave,
>>>
>>> I would like to think that if we can bring people
>>> involved in the MPH campaign together with the Social Forum that you
>>> actually will find people with a great deal of compassion for the
>>> people you mention, and indeed quite probably you are involved in
>>> their own
>>> ways in trying to help them. Most of the organisations I have
>>> mentioned have specific remits which may not lead them to campaign on
>>> benefits etc, but the individuals involved might make a receptive
>>> audience. Hopefully, we can get some of these guys to the meeting
>>> that Dan wants
>>> to have on the 17th Feb, to get SSF involved in MPH, and maybe to get
>>> them involved in things like benefits.
>>>
>>> Of the list of organisations, I would suggest that
>>> the TUC should be involved in benefit campaigning, and that the Green
>>> Party campaign on the sort of pledges to improve benefits that you
>>> want from the government, and that some of the churches probably
>>> try to provide support for the homeless and elderly.
>>>
>>> But also you are right that the situation of those
>>> people in Africa dying of starvation, malaria aids or whatever, is a
>>> different level of problem, and I personally believe that it is right
>>> that we should make a real effort to make helping them out of the most
>>> abject poverty a priority this year, not least because of the great
>>> debt we owe them for having built our own country on their backs, and
>>> supported the excesses of some of their most violent and corrupt
>>> leaders.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> deave thompson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> hi, a genuine question, will any of this roll call
>>>>
>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>
>>>> the great and the good be campaigning against the
>>>> disability benefit cuts which are being proposed
>>>>
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>
>>>> fighting for the thousands of pensioners who are
>>>> likely to die of cold this winter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes, i know they are not anywhere in the same
>>>> situation as in africa, etc, but they have at
>>>>
>>>
>>> present
>>>
>>>
>>>> few allies, we should be there for them as well.
>>>>
>>>> dave t
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Chris Malins <chrismalins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I did make the MPH meeting today, and Dan, if it
>>>>> makes you feel any
>>>>> better, your apology made it even if you didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> The key point for us as the SSF is that MPH events
>>>>> should where possible
>>>>> be driven by individual organisations rather than
>>>>> the Steering Group,
>>>>> which will act to coordinate. Therefore, its vital
>>>>> that we should get in
>>>>> the driving seat with ideas such as for PiP, but
>>>>> also for any
>>>>> contributions we can make to things like the
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Global
>>>
>>>
>>>>> week of action.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, if people want to go to Scotland for the
>>>>>
>>>
>>> whole
>>>
>>>
>>>>> G8, there is not
>>>>> currently (that I am aware of) any coordination of
>>>>> transport, so it
>>>>> would make sense to start sounding out numbers and
>>>>> seeing whether we can
>>>>> get a group together if anyone does want to do
>>>>>
>>>
>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I'll give you all a quick update on what
>>>>>
>>>
>>> was
>>>
>>>
>>>>> said:
>>>>>
>>>>> On recruitment of support:
>>>>>
>>>>> The TUC have said they would like to be kept in
>>>>>
>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>>> loop but not attend
>>>>> local meetings. The Mother's Guild (something like
>>>>> that anyway) are not
>>>>> unsympathetic but have their own activities to
>>>>> pursue. Friends of the
>>>>> Earth are on board. Greenpeace are sympathetic,
>>>>>
>>>
>>> but
>>>
>>>
>>>>> will consult with
>>>>> national office before formally endorsing. Wilpf
>>>>> (Women's international
>>>>> league for peace and freedom, I think) are on
>>>>>
>>>
>>> board
>>>
>>>
>>>>> and represented.
>>>>>
>>>>> Events upcoming:
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomorrow (Friday) night, Caroline Lucas, Green
>>>>> Alternatives to
>>>>> Globalisation, Victoria Hall, 7.30pm. She's great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan 27th CAAT(Campaign Against the Arms Trade)
>>>>> meeting with MPH focus,
>>>>> Friends Meeting House on James Street.
>>>>>
>>>>> Feb 2nd Wednesday, speaker from Somaliland at
>>>>> Christian Aid meeting,
>>>>> 'supper' time at St Matthews apon Carver's Street.
>>>>>
>>>>> Feb 15th will be SMPH launch event held at the
>>>>> university and organised
>>>>> by People and Planet with support of Christian
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Aid,
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Oxfam, WDM and
>>>>> Cafod. There will be stalls and information
>>>>>
>>>
>>> outside
>>>
>>>
>>>>> somewhere around the
>>>>> underpass during the day, and speakers on each
>>>>> campaign strand in the
>>>>> Arts Tower in a Lecture theatre at 7.30, poss.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>
>>>>> a short film. The
>>>>> campaign in Sheffield will be intorduced by the
>>>>>
>>>
>>> SMPH
>>>
>>>
>>>>> chair, and the
>>>>> university campaign will be introduced by People
>>>>>
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Planet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Feb 21st Oxfam at REM concert in Arena by
>>>>> invitation, rasing Make Trade
>>>>> Fair and MPH issues and flyering.
>>>>>
>>>>> March 1-13 Fairtrade Fortnight
>>>>>
>>>>> Global week of action (9th-16th April)
>>>>>
>>>>> 9th - Oxfam, Christian Aid etc organise training
>>>>> conference in
>>>>> Manchester for 'multipliers' ie people who go otu
>>>>> and get more people
>>>>> involved. All welcome, £5.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wilpf will be sending Patricia hewitt postcards
>>>>> emphasising the effect
>>>>> on women of poverty.
>>>>>
>>>>> 13th - Religious(!) lobby of parliament. One for
>>>>>
>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>>> bible bashers
>>>>> amongst us.
>>>>>
>>>>> 15th - Candlelit overnight vigils for the poverty
>>>>> stricken to be held in
>>>>> Whitehall, and locally in Leeds at holy Trinity
>>>>> Church and outside it
>>>>> weather permitting
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideas for further eents actively encouraged, led
>>>>>
>>>
>>> by
>>>
>>>
>>>>> member organisations.
>>>>>
>>>>> The G8 summit:
>>>>>
>>>>> July 2nd, Saturday, protest in Edinburgh in
>>>>>
>>>
>>> support
>>>
>>>
>>>>> of MPH. SMPH will
>>>>> send a coach, 48 people. leave Fridsay, return
>>>>> Saturday.
>>>>> children/students £25 or others £30 for travel
>>>>>
>>>
>>> only.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> With overnight
>>>>> accommodation included: £70/£75. If anyone on this
>>>>> list is interested,
>>>>> contact me, and i will find the relevant contact
>>>>> details.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>> === message truncated ===
>>
>>
>>
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