[Campaignforrealdemocracy] [Occupy London] GA on Democracy Tonight

[Mark Barrett]

To take the Democracy Statement forward, shall we:

- say next Friday 20th will definitely be a GA on Democracy
- put up on the Forum a new version of the statement based on what we have
come up with so far [ including the excellent comments on this thread and
anything that comes up at tonight's GA (if indeed it gets discussed) ]
- make a cut-off date for comments on statement say Tues PM
- hold a democracy WG meeting on Wed ot Thurs eve
- giving the WG time to prepare to take the statement to the GA with any
various amendment options for GA to consider

It is more than philosophy Inka. It is political, strategic and potentially
of real significance

Mark

On 13 January 2012 15:14, Shimri <shimriz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone, I can't come tonight, but I have massive problems with the
> wording right now, and feel I must veto at it's current form (first time I
> ever veto something that goes to the GA):
>
> 1. I think it cannot talk about 'assemblies' as the only, utopian, 'what
> is needed' - it is definitely part of what is needed, but referendums are
> another model, and electronic democracy (like what is developed in occupy
> right now) are also models.
>
> In some parts of the world (for example in situations of apartheid, or
> occupation, like where I am from - Palestine/Israel), even a transition to
> liberal parliamentary state democracy that include everyone and not just
> one ethnic group is part of 'what is needed'.
>
> 2. Another massive problem is that you talk about *national *parliamentary
> systems, but do not make that explicit. There are people in the camp (me
> for example) and on our side (George Monbiot, Richard Falk, for example)
> that think that trans-national parliaments will be something very
> different, substantially.
>
> I would therefore suggest to amend the first sentence in the following
> way, to read:
>
>  "The crisis of the system opens the way for all of us to be co-creators
> of our future, not its victims. We support participatory democratic
> alternatives to a national parliamentary system that has been compromised
> by corporate and financial interests.
>
>
> 3. I'd also add something about real global democracy:
>
>  In order to facilitate the transition to real democracy and the
> liberation of the disenfranchised majority, and a shift from the G8 to
> the G-7billion, we are encouraging the formation of people's assemblies
> in neighbourhoods, workplaces and education establishments across the
> country, assemblies where no one will be excluded, and where the voice and
> sovereignty of the people will be expressed. And we call for a day of
> action** in support."
>
>
> Love and solidarity
> Shimri
>
>  On 13 January 2012 07:41, Mark Barrett <marknbarrett at googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>>  Hey Everyone!
>>
>> This is a reminder that tonight's General Assembly (7pm St Pauls) is
>> scheduled to be on the subject of democracy.
>>
>> Aswell as an update from our WG, it's been suggested the GA re-considers
>> the earlier democracy statement. The earlier statement is as follows,
>> amended to reflect the main objections of the earlier GA:
>>
>> *Proposed Statement on Real Democracy*
>>
>> "The crisis of the system opens the way for all of us to be co-creators
>> of our future, not its victims. What is needed are participatory democratic
>> alternatives to a parliamentary system that has been compromised by
>> corporate and financial interests. In order to facilitate the transition to
>> real democracy and the liberation of the disenfranchised majority, we are
>> encouraging the formation of people's assemblies in neighbourhoods,
>> workplaces and education establishments across the country, assemblies
>> where no one will be excluded, and where the voice and sovereignty of the
>> people will be expressed. And we call for a day of action** in support."
>>
>> ** A river march to, and day of events at St Mary's Church / Putney,
>> scene of the famous 1647 constitution debates is being proposed.
>>
>> ------------
>>
>> Apologies if I don't make tonight (am hoping to) but as long as some of
>> you do and sure it will be a good discussion!
>>
>> You can read the rest of the info on the WG prior to last Tues meeting at
>> http://www.occupyforum.org.uk/showthread.php?95-Next-Steps-as-at-30-Nov
>>
>> And please don't forget to add your comments to Paul's working draft
>> critique document, by latest Saturday evening. Place to do so is here:
>> http://www.occupyforum.org.uk/showthread.php?373-Critique-of-the-Parliamentary-Democracy-State
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Mark
>> PS
>> If you'd like to participate in planning the Putney event, please email
>> me off-list.
>>
>>
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