[HacktionLab] We can finally build our own media - link to video presentation
Mike Harris
mike at mbharris.co.uk
Tue Aug 1 20:47:50 UTC 2023
Jay, also to follow up, when I said it was a /little reductionist/, I
meant it, but not as a criticism of your talk. In context it worked
fine, and, I'm sure you are aware that it was much more nuanced. I
would like though, to set my own record straight on the topic, which
will be an opinion piece for sure ;)
Mike.
On 01/08/2023 11:06, Mike Harris wrote:
>
> That's kind of the point, there weren't really mistakes as such. And
> I do think your critique on your talk was a little reductionist Jay,
> which I guess is fair, because it was just a talk. What I hope to
> cover is something that may help us understand how to do things
> differently in the future.
>
> As I experienced it, the main problem was people (especially those
> more on the journalism side of things) drifting away from the project
> for myriad reasons, but often to get paid work, and leaving just a few
> techs "in charge" of a platform with increasing less good content.
> Secondly, and more importantly, it was the rise of Facebook, Twitter
> et al; the new generation of activists, especially in the environment
> movement were not engaging as much with alternative platforms (and
> tech) as did the previous generation of activists; Indymedia was
> largely built in the ambit of the anti-globalisation/capitalism
> movement, and that out of things like Reclaim the Streets: it was very
> anti-capitalism and having independent control over our tools.
> Thirdly, Indymedia just couldn't keep up with the technical
> innovations and modern look and feel of the aforementioned mainstream
> social media platforms, and this put people off.
>
> All that followed after, with arguments, paranoia, differences of
> opinion, and people debating whether it's okay to publish an interview
> with Gilat Atzmon or not, I feel was the fall-out from an increasingly
> less popular and crumbling project, and not really the real underlying
> reasons: the symptom rather than the cause in other words.
>
> Mike.
>
> On 26/07/2023 17:03, Jay Baker wrote:
>>
>> Haha, yes let's not do that -- if you've seen my HacktionLab
>> presentation you'll know how keen I am to learn from the mistakes of
>> IndyMedia!
>>
>> I'm really fascinated by the possibilities of the Kbin structure to
>> host a Mutu-style network for UK information and news.
>>
>> If you, Sam (or anyone else reading!), would like to discuss this
>> with me directly, feel free -- I'm conscious of potentially clogging
>> up the list! 😀
>>
>> *Jay Baker*
>> */Pronouns: he/they
>> /*
>> */Website: MediaActivist.com <https://www.mediaactivist.com/>
>> /*
>> */Other links: https://allmylinks.com/mediaactivist
>> /*
>> *//*
>>
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>>
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Tuesday, July 25th, 2023 at 18:21, sam at bristolwireless.net
>> sam at bristolwireless.net wrote:
>>
>>
>> just be careful not to accidentally re-invent indymedia!
>>
>> I've found hosting kbin on elest.io <http://elest.io> fairly easy.
>>
>> I've been playing with a service https://kbin.world that attempts to
>> redirect you to the appropriate community/instance depending on where
>> you are in the world. It's quite large geographic areas at the
>> moment,
>> but I could try and get hold of some regional IP address localisation
>> for the UK.
>>
>> 2p
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> uoting Jay Baker jaybaker at mediaactivist.com:
>>
>> Hey Sam, thanks for this -- I'm a big fan and user of the
>> fediverse,
>> including Kbin. I'll admit that my gut reaction to your
>> message was
>> "Ah, that's a totally different thing, it wouldn't work..."
>> and then
>> as I've thought about it more, I've found your suggestion to
>> actually be quite inspired! Maybe an instance dedicated to local
>> autonomous media with each locality running a different magazine
>> would fit really well! So thanks! If folks are interested in
>> discussing running such an instance, let's talk!
>>
>> Jay Baker
>> Pronouns: he/they
>> Website: MediaActivist.com <http://MediaActivist.com>
>>
>> Other links: https://allmylinks.com/mediaactivist
>>
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Saturday, July 15th, 2023 at 17:28, sam at bristolwireless.net
>> sam at bristolwireless.net wrote:
>>
>> I've been playing with Kbin a bit recently. It might be a
>> good fit,
>> where local communities are a 'magazine'
>>
>> Kbin is a Fediverse version of a threaded /voting
>> platform like
>> Reddit. It interoperates with Lemmy.
>>
>> This is a worldnews aggregator built with kbin for example:
>> https://fledd.it/
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> Jay Baker:
>>
>> As I couldn't make it on the day, if anyone has
>> any questions about
>> Mutu / local autonomous media based on the
>> presentation, ask away!
>> I also think there are possibilities to
>> incorporate it into the
>> Radar site perhaps, so Radar folks feel free to
>> give me a shot too!
>>
>> For sure if folks start to set up such a network we
>> can help with
>> syndicating the events. It's something we already do
>> with other sites.
>>
>> I think it would be great if people start a mutu-like
>> network of
>> independent media collectives. As I mentioned at
>> Hacktionlab please
>> don't use spip (I make a point of never crapping on
>> any software
>> platform - but in this case I make an exception - its
>> security is
>> flawed by design). Not that I think the particular
>> software platform
>> is important in this case, it's the network of
>> people. Start simple.
>> Something like set of Wordpress sites, and one
>> pointing to them and
>> aggregating some content, would do it.
>>
>> Solidarity,
>>
>> ekes
>>
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