[imc-uk-emergency] irc log for uk-network meeting
ionnek
ionnek at gmx.net
Mon Oct 6 23:49:09 BST 2003
hi
after having read through the logs, I would really recommend that people
look at the http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/UkNetworkMeetings Twiki.
It seems that some people are not aware of the work that's already been
done there, including links to many of the discussions that we had in the
past and will have in sheffield again, also including a proposal for a
time-schedule. I sent regular email updates to the network list before the
server went down, so the problem can't be peoples web-connections. Maybe
twiki and email are just not the tools to organise a meeting. I don't know.
Just to let you know that my motivation is decreasing rapidly. On the other
hand, for the autonomy paper, the twiki seems to have worked.
A note on the mir moderation trainings: in lancester, we did basic active
admin trainings in 30 minutes. I don't see why this can't happen in
sheffield. There are lots of breaks in the time schedule, and anyway, one
experienced person can easily train 5, 6 or even more people.
In Lancester, in the very first session, we offered a parallel mini-meeting
for new people, just to talk basics, while the rest of the crews discussed
the agenda or whatever. this worked really well - why don't we offer this
in sheff as well?
best
ionnek
At 22:08 06/10/03, pault wrote:
>Hi All
>
>The following is the log for the 20:00-22:00, Sunday, 05 October 2003 irc
>meeting on #uk re Sheffield Meeting 18-19 OCtober 2003.
>
>Apologies for length, you people are **so** chatty ;-)
>
>===============================================
>19:48 -!- pault changed the topic of #uk to: meeting @ 8pm [20:00]
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/UkNetworkMeetings
>19:49 <@ionnek> yup
>19:49 <@vince> hi all
>19:49 <@ionnek> how long do you all have time_
>19:49 <@pault> hi
>19:49 <@chrisc> um, a couple of hours?
>19:49 <@ionnek> vince! compliments for autonomy peace
>19:49 <@ionnek> piece.
>19:49 <@vince> thanks
>19:49 <@vince> :-)
>19:49 <@pault> lol
>19:50 <@chrisc> hi vince!
>19:50 <@ionnek> ��=
>19:50 <@vince> hi chris! :-)
>19:50 <@ionnek> got to leave just b4 9 - been dragged to tapas bar
>19:50 <@pault> tough 1
>19:51 <@ionnek> hm.
>19:51 <@ionnek> what needs discussing?
>19:51 <@vince> hmm don't know :-)
>19:51 <@vince> everything
>19:52 -!- chip_scooter_away is now known as chip_scooter
>19:53 <@pault> it's mr shirt
>19:53 <@ionnek> like, what music are we gonna have @ party.
>19:53 -!- spanner [~jirc at 81-178-243-172.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #uk
>19:53 <@chip_scooter> aah, pault
>19:53 <@ionnek> shirt?
>19:53 <@pault> lst night's shirt was a thing of wondr
>19:54 <@chip_scooter> paul's praising me 4 my sartorial elegance, i
>believe :o)
>19:54 <@chrisc> bill had a posh frock on at my party last night...
>19:54 <@chip_scooter> is there a picture?
>19:54 <@chip_scooter> i'll wear that shirt again for n/w mtg social
>19:54 <@pault> eek
>19:54 <@ionnek> agenda point: dress code.
>19:55 <@pault> hehe
>19:55 <@chip_scooter> music 4 party: a bit o' salsa, reggae n ting, erm,
>whatever...
>19:55 <@chip_scooter> ska
>19:55 <@chip_scooter> housey disco
>19:55 <@pault> poss breakz if trollyd do some
>19:55 <@chip_scooter> bit o' punk ???
>19:55 <@chip_scooter> uh-huh
>19:55 <@pault> agenda point: shef logistics
>19:56 <@chip_scooter> pls explain...
>19:56 <@pault> & prenetwork printed material
>19:57 <@chip_scooter> we need the agenda printed - and maps
>19:58 <@pault> what else do we need 2 talk about & how are we gonna record it?
>19:58 <@chip_scooter> ho ho - i have a picture of my shirt. are u ready...?
>19:58 <@chip_scooter>
>http://chris.croome.net/photos/2002/Bills_Birthday_22_June/0011_Matt_and_Bill.jpg
>19:59 <@chip_scooter> from last year, innit
>19:59 <@pault> want me to go through the log after & pull out relevant
>bits for
>wiki?
>19:59 <@chip_scooter> yeah, maaan
>19:59 <@chip_scooter> so we start mtg in 1 min ???
>20:00 <@ionnek> k
>20:00 -!- Irssi: #uk: Total of 14 nicks [10 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 4
>normal]
>20:00 <@pault> someone say go
>20:00 <@chip_scooter> i have another foto of me shirt:
>http://chris.croome.net/photos/2002/Bills_Birthday_22_June/0053_Louise_and_Bill.jpg
>20:01 <@chip_scooter> 3,
>20:01 <@chip_scooter> 2,
>20:01 <@chip_scooter> 1,
>20:01 <@chip_scooter> let's start...
>20:01 <@chip_scooter> pault: wot logistics ?
>20:01 <@chip_scooter> are a problem ???
>20:01 <@pault> no no
>20:02 <@pault> just let ppl know that we've got accom for up to 70 [!] sorted
>for fri & sat eves
>20:02 <@chip_scooter> cool
>20:02 <@pault> a mere stones throw from mthe other venues
>20:02 <@chip_scooter> coolski
>20:03 * ionnek has a question
>20:03 <@chip_scooter> shoot
>20:03 <@ionnek> do you think the "working group" / "discussion group"
>thing will
>work?
>20:03 * chip_scooter would like to ask if we are providing food - but
>this can
>wait...
>20:03 <@ionnek> does the "units for timetable" thing covers everything so far?
>20:04 <@ionnek> do we need to assign times and places b4 the meeting starts?
>20:04 <@chip_scooter> pls explain the work grp vs the discussion grp - sounds
>interesting
>20:04 <@ionnek>
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/UkNetworkMeetings#I_Working_groups
>20:04 <@chip_scooter> ok - just looking
>20:04 <@ionnek>
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/UkNetworkMeetings#II_Discussion_groups
>20:05 -!- anaLdn [~jirc at ACB96094.ipt.aol.com] has joined #uk
>20:05 <@chip_scooter> hola ana
>20:05 <@vince> there's one problem with discussion groups as was pointed
>out by ana
>20:05 <@vince> hi ana :-)
>20:05 < anaLdn> hola!
>20:05 <@chip_scooter> i think working grps & discussion groups is a cool idea
>20:05 <@pault> hola
>20:05 < anaLdn> discussion groups?
>20:05 <@ionnek> I've looked at all the stuff that was on the twiki, and
>tried to
>identify themes that could go into the timetalbe.
>20:05 <@vince> i think they cannnot all be at the same time
>20:05 <@chip_scooter> discussion grps:
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/UkNetworkMeetings#I_Working_groups
>20:06 <@vince> because many are important
>20:06 <@ionnek> ana:
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/UkNetworkMeetings#II_Discussion_groups
>20:06 <@vince> and influence each other
>20:06 -!- ab [~fidra at 82-41-74-204.cable.ubr10.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has
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>20:06 <@ionnek> we have 4 sessions (at least) plus breaks.
>20:06 <@vince> sorry i missed that
>20:07 <@ionnek> so not all of these groups need to happen at the same time.
>depends on what people want to do in them.
>20:07 <@vince> so maybe we should do the most important and influential
>discussion at the beginning
>20:07 <@vince> to orient other discussions
>20:07 <@ionnek> Maybe one group decides to meet again in the next time-slot.
>20:07 <@pault> vince +1
>20:07 <@ionnek> maybe another one dissolves after 10 minutes...
>20:08 <@ionnek> vince: how would you organise the timetable?
>20:08 <@vince> i think the timetable is fine
>20:08 <@ionnek> but it's just a grid so far...
>20:08 <@vince> you mean what discussion group at what time?
>20:08 <@pault> what wld be most appropriate "important and influential
>discussion at the beginning"
>20:09 <@ionnek> yes - or which ones could run parallel, which ones need to be
>before which other ones.
>20:09 <@vince> i suppose regional autonomy is one of them :-)
>20:09 <@pault> topics
>20:09 <@chip_scooter> we have a list of topics haven't
>20:09 <@chip_scooter> haven't we?
>20:09 < anaLdn> yes
>20:10 -!- anaLdn is now known as ana
>20:10 <@ionnek> ...can i explain how I imagined these groups would work?
>20:10 <@vince> go ahead :-)
>20:10 < ana> y
>20:10 * ionnek don't want to rush in - tell me when its enough
>20:10 <@ionnek> we tkd in irc and many pp didn't want too many plenary
>sessions.
>20:11 <@ionnek> on the other hand, there are lots of things we can only decide
>collectively.
>20:11 -!- mode/#uk [+o ana] by pault
>20:11 <@ionnek> so i thought we could have a time slot in the beginning where
>everybody goes to his/her favourite group.
>20:11 <@ionnek> to discuss the favourite topic.
>20:11 <@ionnek> expl - i go to new imc.
>20:11 <@ionnek> we discuss, and work on some proposal.
>20:12 <@ionnek> we identify problems and difficulties.
>20:12 <@ionnek> we write it all up on a big sheet
>20:12 <@ionnek> and stick it up the wall.
>20:12 <@ionnek> then -break - we look at other groups sheets.
>20:12 <@ionnek> at some point - plenary.
>20:12 * ana raises hand
>20:12 <@ionnek> we present the problems and ideas we have identified.
>20:12 * vince raises hand
>20:12 <@ionnek> plenary decides what to do next.
>20:13 <@ionnek> this way we could discuss lots of topics in breaks and
>many groups,
>20:13 * ab phone
>20:13 * ana ionned can you type /end when you finish please?
>20:13 <@ionnek> a general knowledge would have emerged by the time we have a
>plenary <emd>
>20:13 * chip_scooter sees two hands raised...
>20:13 <@vince> ana?
>20:14 <@ana> the stuff that we write on teh wall
>20:14 <@ana> the wall
>20:14 <@ana> i think maybe can be written before hand
>20:14 <@ana> from discussions on email lists, irc... local meetings...
>20:14 <@ana> <end>
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>20:14 <@ana> vince?
>20:14 <@vince> the only problem i see with ionnek's proposal
>20:14 <@vince> is that it will be hard to have meaningful discussions
>20:15 <@vince> on many subjects as long as other ones will not be decided upon
>20:15 <@vince> as they are all dependent on each other
>20:15 <@vince> <end>
>20:15 <@chip_scooter> me?
>20:15 <@ionnek> y
>20:15 <@chip_scooter> it's about making a choice
>20:15 <@chip_scooter> and prioritising
>20:16 <@chip_scooter> not _everyone_ will be able to discuss _everything_
>20:16 * ana raises hand
>20:16 <@chip_scooter> we can only do our best in the time we have
>20:16 <@chip_scooter> <end>
>20:16 <@vince> ana?
>20:16 <@ana> but some issues
>20:16 <@ana> i 'd like to be in all of them!
>20:16 <@vince> :-)
>20:16 <@ana> the ones i wrote in that email...
>20:16 <@ana> and maybe 2 more...
>20:17 <@chip_scooter>
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/UkNetworkMeetings#I_Working_groups
>20:17 <@ana> shall we decide which issues are for every one to attend?
>20:17 <@ana> thanks chip :)
>20:17 <@ana> can we decide that now, here?
>20:17 <@ana> ,end>
>20:17 <@vince> ionnek ok cool! :-)
>20:17 <@vince> oops sorry
>20:17 <@vince> :-)
>20:18 <@ionnek> i think that each issue has to come up in a plenary.
>20:18 <@ionnek> some shorter, some longer.
>20:18 <@ionnek> but would be good to discuss them in smaller groups b4.
>20:18 * vince raises hand
>20:18 <@ionnek> or course anas proposal would be IDEAL!
>20:18 * bunny observing like a poet
>20:18 <@ionnek> to prepare and read everything in advance!
>20:19 <@ionnek> but pp don't even read the twiki... <end>
>20:19 <@vince> me
>20:19 * ana raises hand
>20:19 <@vince> should we try to write
>20:19 <@vince> a collective text for each topic beforehand
>20:19 <@vince> using wiki
>20:19 <@vince> like bunny did for regional autonomy
>20:19 * ana agrees strongly!!
>20:19 * pault raises hand
>20:19 * chip_scooter is guilty of not reading the wiki... :o(
>20:19 <@vince> (i wrote it in a personal way) but it's better as
>collective text
>20:19 <@vince> <end>
>20:20 <@ana> me
>20:20 <@pault> me
>20:20 <@pault> sorry
>20:20 <@bunny> I think it has a long way to go before it becomes colective
>20:20 <@bunny> but I am glad you approve of my start
>20:20 <@vince> ana?
>20:20 <@ana> bunny how about respecting hands??? i'll be short
>20:20 <@bunny> after all people can see your original in diffs
>20:20 <@bunny> and that is waht email list are for
>20:20 <@ana> bunny this is getting a bit frustrating
>20:20 <@ana> shall i just shoot?
>20:20 <@bunny> more threaded peronsol points
>20:21 <@chip_scooter> bunny: pls take a turn :o)
>20:21 <@ana> i suggest, from vince's proposal
>20:21 <@ana> get that text into photocopies
>20:21 <@ana> and give them at the start!
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>20:21 * vince agrees
>20:21 <@ana> when every one comes in to the meeting
>20:21 <@ana> and no one is allowed until they read it|!!!
>20:22 <@ana> he he : ) <end>
>20:22 <@pault> me
>20:22 <@ana> pault
>20:22 <@pault> i've taken the week off work b4 meeting
>20:22 <@pault> & i'm willing 2 put sdome time into preping printed stuff 4
>meeting
>20:23 <@pault> i think vince's wiki
>20:23 <@pault> with bunny's coireections have made me think much more
>20:23 <@pault> could work for other topics too
>20:23 <@pault> [end/
>20:23 <@chip_scooter> bunny?
>20:24 * vince raises hand
>20:24 <@bunny> chip_scooter: what are you asking me
>20:24 <@vince> if you want to say something
>20:24 <@bunny> I give way to vince but can I come i later on other issues
>links
>20:24 <@vince> ok
>20:24 <@vince> so should we split the important topics between ppl who
>have time
>20:25 <@vince> so that they start writing some osrt of wiki on it? <end>
>20:25 * bunny hand up
>20:25 <@vince> bunny
>20:26 * ionnek raises hand
>20:26 <@bunny> ok I am with idea of thrashing out option
>20:26 <@bunny> s and issues to circulate before
>20:26 <@bunny> but my question is
>20:26 <@bunny> what about mandates from our groups
>20:27 <@bunny> should we have local meeting and get dicussions on these
>20:27 * ana not too enthusiastic about this
>20:27 <@bunny> the thing is with our scotland group dominant feeling is not
>wishing to engage much with uk level decisions
>20:28 <@bunny> and there mandate may be to ask me ab to cause a little
>troubles
>as poss.
>20:28 <@bunny> end for now
>20:28 <@vince> ionnek6
>20:28 * ab still on phone
>20:28 <@ionnek> must leave in a mo. final input: there is new-imc stuff linked
>from the network twiki. for me it's very important to have time to
>actually get
>something done during the meeting, not just big plenary debates. also, we
>talked
>a lot about workshops - who is going to offer workshops? will i get a
>chance to
>pop out of the meeting and get a linux intro?
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>20:28 * ana sorry but didn't understand a word of second bunny's phrase
>20:29 * ionnek ignoring the handsup
>20:29 <@ionnek> bye all - have a good meeting :-)
>20:29 <@vince> ciao :-)
>20:29 <@pault> bye
>20:29 < spanner> bye ionnek
>20:29 <@chip_scooter> bye
>20:29 <@ana> bye ionnek wish you stayed more
>20:29 <@bunny> I am happy to clarify after any other response, I will wait
>till
>other reponded
>20:30 <@pault> no hands up
>20:30 <@vince> can you clarify bunny?
>20:30 <@vince> (no hands up...)
>20:30 -!- ana [~jirc at ACB96094.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
>20:30 * chip_scooter thinks bunny should clarify now
>20:31 -!- ana [~jirc at ACB96094.ipt.aol.com] has joined #uk
>20:31 <@vince> bunny?
>20:31 <@bunny> ok most people who feel part of indymedia scotland
>20:31 * pault raises hand
>20:31 * ana raises hand
>20:31 < ana> (got disconnected ararrrggh)
>20:32 <@bunny> do not have an option on much of the issues up0 for debate
>I guess
>20:32 <@bunny> they are just happy to see the sub page progress
>20:32 <@bunny> if we went for a mandate from our group on issues
>20:33 * chip_scooter sees clock ticking...
>20:33 <@bunny> it would probable be best represented by me and ab playing
>less
>of a role in debate than we might wish as indioviduals
>20:34 <@bunny> we have consided abstaning from autonomy debate to reflect
>this..
>20:34 <@bunny> despite me and ab having strong views
>20:34 <@bunny> due to our engagement with IMCUK
>20:34 * vince raises hand
>20:35 <@bunny> will there be votes, block votes or consenues
>20:35 <@bunny> or just deadlock
>20:35 <@bunny> I end for now
>20:35 <@vince> pault?
>20:35 <@pault> practical stuff i'm afraid. chip_scooter mentioned food, which
>sorta needs some kinda number estimation. how many do ya think we might end up
>with from out of town? [end]
>20:35 < ana> me
>20:35 < ana> 3 points:
>20:35 < ana> people: last meeting, lancaster, about.. 70 people?
>20:35 < ana> i'd expect more on this one...
>20:35 < ana> about 10 from london
>20:36 < ana> 2: workshops
>20:36 < ana> i'm not especially prepared to give a workshop in sheffield
>20:36 < ana> i've done a few trainings already
>20:36 < ana> i personally expected...
>20:36 < ana> a full on meeting,
>20:36 < ana> full of discussions that we need to make
>20:36 < ana> that we needed to make as soon as possible after moving to mir
>20:37 < ana> that was 3 monts ago
>20:37 < ana> but we couldn't, because...
>20:37 < ana> only 3 people knew about mir
>20:37 < ana> and that is why we waited for 3 monts
>20:37 < ana> so now i personally feel the urge to make all those decisions
>20:37 < ana> between people who are fully aware of the issues
>20:37 < ana> and have worked with mir this time
>20:38 < ana> so, havinga workshop on how to use mir...
>20:38 < ana> makes little sense to me
>20:38 < ana> i feel like telling people...
>20:38 < ana> sort yourself out, mate
>20:38 < ana> i've posted trainings in lists,
>20:38 < ana> i've trained ppl on irc
>20:38 < ana> but that's only my strong opinion
>20:38 < ana> 3. about bunny:
>20:38 * spanner raises hand
>20:39 < ana> bunny i find difficult to understand your and ulla's possition
>about uk-scotland
>20:39 < ana> you both have done such an amazing job with uk indy, mates
>20:39 < ana> dsei would not have been so good reported without ulla
>20:39 < ana> and you are on with techie issues too
>20:39 * ab still onphone
>20:40 < ana> so, why this indecision about your involvement with uk?
>20:40 < ana> you are more part of the site than many people in london
>20:40 -!- spanner [~jirc at 81-178-243-172.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit:
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>20:40 < ana> i feel trembling every time you say things like that...
>20:41 < ana> c'mon mate, london is not a government, is a city where many
>of us
>need to live despite ourselves
>20:41 < ana> ,end>
>20:41 <@vince> me
>20:41 <@vince> 3 short points
>20:41 <@vince> first, 4-5 people from oxford i expect
>20:41 <@vince> 2) i think we should be more concrete in this discussion:
>20:41 <@vince> decide who writes which wiki if we agree that wikis should
>be written
>20:41 <@vince> decide who's doing what workshops
>20:41 <@vince> etc.
>20:41 <@vince> so aht something is done after this meeting
>20:42 <@vince> 3)
>20:42 -!- spanner [~jirc at 81-178-243-172.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #uk
>20:42 <@vince> to bunny
>20:42 * ab raises hand off phone finally
>20:42 <@vince> i think you should try to
>20:42 <@vince> get scotland people feeling part of a network
>20:42 <@vince> instead of doing the opposite
>20:42 <@vince> discuss about these issues, explain
>20:42 <@vince> why they are as important to the UK netowk<
>20:42 <@vince> as anyone else
>20:42 <@vince> that *they* are the network
>20:42 <@vince> end>
>20:43 * spanner apologises for disconnect and raises hand again
>20:43 <@vince> spanne?
>20:43 < ab> hey haven't I been first?
>20:43 < spanner> Thx. Before I got dumped out, ana made a valid point about
>training
>20:43 <@vince> hmm he did before a long time ago... :-)
>20:43 < spanner> sorry, go ahead ab
>20:43 < ab> oh sorry just didn't see you have been on here before
>20:43 <@chip_scooter> remembers that span got disconnected...
>20:44 <@vince> spanner?
>20:44 < spanner> thx. Ana made a good point that mir training has been
>around a
>lot on irc etc.
>20:44 < spanner> Perhaps we should ask attendees
>20:44 < spanner> what they need training on
>20:44 * vince agrees
>20:44 < spanner> and weed out the good requests from the bad
>20:45 < spanner> this could be via a shotgun email to all attendees (if known)
>20:45 < spanner> or via an invite to a quick irc
>20:45 < spanner> to deal with workshop topics
>20:45 < spanner> end i think :-)
>20:45 <@vince> ab?
>20:46 * Maqui raises hand
>20:46 < ab> okay, I haven't really read much of the discussion before as have
>been on phone
>20:46 < ab> but wanted to chip in that I feel at the moment quite burnt outin
>regards to imc-webstuff
>20:46 < ab> I really looked forward to the imc meeting more on a social level
>20:46 <@chip_scooter> :o)
>20:47 < ab> of engagning and meeting people I struggle with
>20:47 < ab> as in socila change struggle
>20:47 < ab> social
>20:47 * ana raises hand
>20:47 < ab> of course not as in fight each other
>20:47 < ab> but now it seems so much focussing around one issue and
>disagreement
>20:48 < ab> which was based more on a misunderstanding
>20:48 < ab> rather than the insult it got perceived as
>20:49 * vince doesn't really understand
>20:49 < ab> and I really don't want to go to Sheffield to have another big
>disagreement and debate
>20:49 < ab> which seems to be more dividing than uniting
>20:49 * ana can i ask ppl to write in short sentences? waiting gets boring...
>20:49 * Maqui asks ab to clarify which issue and disagreement
>20:49 < ab> the whole autonomy thing
>20:49 * vince agrees with Maqui but disagrees with ab :-)
>20:50 < ab> seems to me like vince taking revenge on the one incident
>20:50 * vince really disagrees... :-)
>20:50 < ab> and I just don't want to come
>20:50 < ab> anymore
>20:50 * vince raises hand
>20:50 * ana would *love* to see ab in sheffield!!
>20:50 < ab> because I fear what is
>20:50 < ab> might come out there with the whole autonomy debatte
>20:51 * vince would also love to see ab! :-)
>20:51 < ab> and with the timepressure
>20:51 < ab> sorry
>20:51 * chip_scooter sees three hands up...
>20:51 * pault has the hand order @ Maqui, ana, vince
>20:51 < ab> me end
>20:51 <@vince> MAqui?
>20:51 < ana> maqui
>20:51 < Maqui> ok
>20:51 < Maqui> im a bit lost with all ab just said
>20:51 < Maqui> dunno if it refers to vince's autonomy text or what
>20:52 < ab> yes
>20:52 < Maqui> i apologis coz i havent read it ... to much hangover today :))
>20:52 * chrisc me2
>20:52 < Maqui> but my point was another
>20:52 < Maqui> basically refering to workshops
>20:52 < Maqui> and i agree with ana
>20:52 * pault raises hand
>20:52 < Maqui> i don't think there will be much time for workshops
>20:53 < Maqui> more important issues need to be discussed and agreed upon
>20:53 * spanner raises hand
>20:53 < Maqui> and i would like people talk and discuss rather than 'getting
>trained'
>20:53 < Maqui> so i would ask people what training do they need
>20:53 < Maqui> and basically just sort other times and spaces (
>20:54 < Maqui> (both physical or virtual) for trainings
>20:54 < Maqui> and btw maqui would also love to see ab and bunny in
>sheffild :)
>20:54 < Maqui> <end>
>20:54 < ana> me
>20:54 * chip_scooter sees 4 hands up...
>20:54 < ana> cant agree more with maqui
>20:54 < ana> about the social stuff, ab:
>20:55 < ana> there will be times for both
>20:55 < ana> just like in aktivix... or any other network meeting we've had
>20:55 < ana> i just don't see
>20:55 < ana> just, or mainly,\
>20:55 < ana> a social gathering in sheffield
>20:55 < ana> ppl don't travel long distances to socialise, i can't afford it
>20:55 < ana> of course there will be disagreements
>20:56 < ana> of course there will be heated debates
>20:56 < ana> (i'll try my best not to be nasty this time ;-))
>20:56 < ana> but we 'need' to make decisions
>20:56 < ana> anyhow i agree with vince
>20:56 < ana> that this meeting is not about convincing some one to come
>20:56 * vince is surprised! :-):-)
>20:57 < ana> (about me trying not to be nasty? )
>20:57 < ana> he he
>20:57 < ana> this meeting is about organising the meeting in sheff.
>20:57 < ana> i think we should try & divide tasks
>20:57 * pault unraises hand
>20:57 < ana> and the time table if htere is not one
>20:57 < ana> btw i'd like to do the introduction about mir
>20:58 < ana> i've been thinking about it most of my time.. when i 've been
>ill...
>20:58 < ana> i can prepare some documentation, actually i've prepared some
>20:58 < ana> then i can email is to the twiki-addicts
>20:58 < ana> <end>
>20:58 <@vince> me
>20:58 <@vince> first i agree with Maqui and ana
>20:58 <@vince> 2) i want to say
>20:59 <@vince> clearly tha no one is angry or insulted or offended or whatever
>in oxford
>20:59 <@vince> i'm not trying to take any revenge
>20:59 <@vince> i always take the thread example only
>20:59 <@vince> because it is the only example that happened so far
>20:59 <@vince> but that is not the point of the regional autonomy stuff
>20:59 <@vince> i think this debate is very important
>20:59 <@vince> on a theoretical level and organisational level
>21:00 * ana agree
>21:00 <@vince> as we are presently defining what the United Kollektvies
>will be
>for the following uyears
>21:00 <@vince> and we have to look at the possibilities
>21:00 <@vince> and have discussions before taking important decisions like
>this
>21:00 <@vince> that will affect all the regional collectives for a while
>21:00 <@vince> <end>
>21:00 * bunny hand up
>21:01 * pault points out it 21:00
>21:01 <@pault> spanner?
>21:01 < spanner> ok
>21:01 < spanner> I'm persuaded by maqui and ana
>21:01 < spanner> Shall we schedule a slot to discuss training then?
>21:01 * ana ????
>21:01 < spanner> And add this as a proposal on twiki?
>21:01 < spanner> end
>21:02 * ana not understand nothing
>21:02 < spanner> shall I clarify?
>21:02 * ana raises hand
>21:02 <@vince> yup
>21:02 < ana> please
>21:02 <@pault> y
>21:02 < spanner> OK
>21:02 * chip_scooter raises hand
>21:02 < spanner> Ana said earlier that there was already training on mir etc.
>21:02 < spanner> I replied that we should ask what training ppl wanted
>21:03 < spanner> ana and maqui (iirc) then siad that there wasnt much time
>21:03 < spanner> so how about instead we schedule slot to talk about what
>training needed
>21:03 < spanner> for delivery later
>21:03 < spanner> end
>21:03 * Maqui agrees with spanner
>21:03 * ana sees no need for that...
>21:03 <@vince> next?
>21:03 < Maqui> why
>21:04 < Maqui> opps sorry
>21:04 * spanner sees training proposed on twiki
>21:04 <@pault> ana?
>21:04 < ana> i think pault raised hand first
>21:04 <@vince> he unraised it
>21:04 <@vince> it hink
>21:04 * pault unraised some time ago
>21:04 < ana> then bunny?
>21:04 <@pault> oops
>21:04 <@pault> bunny?
>21:04 <@bunny> The thing I want clarified was is it decided that consenus is
>reached by those present with no formal regard for those not at this
>meeting. I
>started to set up example to paste here but best for email, the thing I wanted
>tomtake from this meeting is should it be directed to groups to have a meeting
>in run up to network meeting and what they should come up with
>21:05 <@bunny> should an groups be warned if they don't engage decison may be
>taken that affect there page
>21:05 * vince agrees
>21:05 < ana> eehh??
>21:05 * vince i think...
>21:05 <@bunny> eg manchester has not done much with it's page recently so I
>guess it would not do much to maintain a newsirie of it's
>21:05 <@bunny> own
>21:06 < ana> (sorry english not me first language, need corrct grammar...)
>21:06 <@bunny> can we ever scape a page
>21:06 <@bunny> can we ever oblige collectives to engage
>21:06 * ana sorry no i understand
>21:06 <@bunny> I note not requirement for groups to report to IMCUK
>21:06 <@bunny> in formal way
>21:07 * vince points that it's the new imc process that hasn't been done
>so far
>21:07 <@bunny> oops that was can aregional page ever be scroped?
>21:07 <@bunny> oop scraped
>21:07 <@bunny> fucke
>21:07 <@vince> :-)
>21:07 < ana> lol
>21:07 <@bunny> my toping is going down hill so I will stop
>21:07 <@bunny> but it would be good to sort this out
>21:08 < ana> dn't worry :-)
>21:08 <@bunny> as time running out
>21:08 -!- ben [~ben at adsl210.13.cyb.it] has joined #uk
>21:08 <@bunny> to place any requiremnets or warning to groups
>21:08 < ben> hello all
>21:08 <@bunny> hello ben
>21:08 <@vince> hi ben
>21:08 < ana> hello
>21:08 < spanner> hi
>21:08 <@bunny> we are having a meeting
>21:08 < Maqui> hi
>21:08 < ben> hiya, hows it going?
>21:08 <@bunny> and we are using a hands up method to
>21:08 <@bunny> work out who goes
>21:09 <@bunny> but as you just arrived
>21:09 < ben> oh, not a meeting, i'd better shut up. had too many meetings
>this week
>21:09 <@bunny> you may want to introduce yourself
>21:09 <@pault> ana?
>21:09 <@bunny> end
>21:09 < ana> me
>21:09 < ana> about a slot for trainings?
>21:09 < ben> OK. INtro: Ben - real2reel, lifecycles, wesycountry IMC,
>currently
>in Roma for sample image workshop
>21:10 < ana> ok with asking ppl what training they need
>21:10 * bunny wants to clarify line of waht I said
>21:10 < ana> i suggest we do this on any plenary
>21:10 < ana> ok bunny go on
>21:10 * spanner agrees with ana
>21:10 < ana> i'll continue
>21:11 < ana> right after you
>21:11 * pault notes chip_scooter after ana
>21:11 <@bunny> when I said 'those present' and 'meeting'at 21:04 I emant
>sheffiled meeting
>21:12 < ana> may i go on?
>21:12 < ana> ok...
>21:12 <@bunny> anyway I may expand in email
>21:12 <@bunny> end for now
>21:12 < ana> then we ask those who need training where they live
>21:13 < ana> then the person who can train them raises their hand and says
>'talk
>to me at the end of this plennary'\
>21:13 < ana> and they arrange *another* place to train
>21:13 < ana> another matter will be those in the middle of nowhere
>21:13 < ana> as i said, i've done trainings on irc
>21:13 < ana> and there is documentation
>21:13 < ana> but most importantly, i propose...
>21:13 * spanner raises hand
>21:14 < ana> that we say on the *list*(
>21:14 < ana> that probably there will be no training at sheffield
>21:14 < ana> that people are expected to get there with some grasp in admin...
>21:14 * Maqui hand up
>21:14 < ana> about bunny:
>21:14 < ana> local pages to be scrapped?
>21:15 < ana> i think that belongs to the new uk imc process
>21:15 < ana> also i ask-propose-demand
>21:15 < ana> that what we've been calling new imc process
>21:15 < ana> we call new uk imc process
>21:15 < ana> becasue new imc process is what is done globally
>21:15 < ana> and which only lancaster & scotland have done succesffully i
>believe
>21:16 < ana> london did but unsuccessfully ;-)
>21:16 < ana> <end>
>21:16 < ana> chip_scooter?
>21:16 <@chip_scooter> 1) i agree with maqui & ana that training's not as
>important _on-the-day_ as face-to-face discussion but provision might have
>to be
>made to train some people - we have good facilities for that :o) 2) i believe
>that there's a whole socio-political 'hinterland' to england-scotland
>relations
>& how that affects indymedia that the newbies aren't aware of - this should be
>explained later somehow...phew <end>
>21:16 <@chip_scooter> ta
>21:17 < ana> lol
>21:17 <@chip_scooter> :o)
>21:17 < ana> spanner?
>21:17 < spanner> ok
>21:17 < spanner> ana makes good points about training
>21:17 < spanner> but rather than outline now a process for how to book
>face-to-face training at Sheff
>21:18 < spanner> I suggest we instead agree to talk about how training can be
>delivered better
>21:18 < spanner> if our documentation is not good enough for mere mortals
>21:18 < spanner> then some might need to be re-written
>21:18 < spanner> only way to know is to ask those mere mortals
>21:18 -!- mode/#uk [+o ana] by pault
>21:18 < spanner> or watch body language etc during discussion
>21:18 < spanner> cant do that on email or irc :-)
>21:19 < spanner> there are other ways than face to face
>21:19 < spanner> e.g. VNC
>21:19 < spanner> http://www.realvnc.com/
>21:19 < spanner> and other free whiteboarding tools
>21:19 * ana raises hand
>21:19 < spanner> so that IMCers in london/oxford/montreal/wherever
>21:19 < spanner> might train people in other timezones/latitudes
>21:20 < spanner> or just a part of the uk that the trainer would have
>difficulty
>getting to
>21:20 < spanner> to sum, i think it should be a forum for listening to what is
>needed by volunteers
>21:20 < spanner> and talking about possible solutions for delivering better
>training and docs
>21:20 < spanner> end
>21:20 <@ana> maqui
>21:20 < Maqui> just a quick point
>21:21 < Maqui> i think we are making too much of an issue about training
>21:21 < Maqui> i mean,
>21:21 < Maqui> most volunteers to the uk imc(s) only need and want to know
>about
>admin
>21:21 < Maqui> not about coding mir or whatever else goes behing these nice
>admin forms
>21:21 * spanner raises hand
>21:22 < Maqui> so to be able to just administer the wite
>21:22 * ana good good point
>21:22 < Maqui> (newswire cleaning, feaures, photos publishing, etc...)
>21:22 < Maqui> it's not really that much of an issue i think
>21:22 < Maqui> it can be learned just by doing it and fucking it up :)
>21:22 * chip_scooter agrees
>21:22 < Maqui> so maybe a half way solution woudl be tp have a laptop and
>projector
>21:23 < Maqui> in the discussions and plenary (if poss)
>21:23 < Maqui> in which people can graphically illustrate what they mean when
>they say tdo"this" or "that"
>21:23 < Maqui> am i making sense
>21:23 < Maqui> <en>
>21:23 < Maqui> <d> :)
>21:24 <@ana> I also need, if ppl agree that i do some presentation, sth to
>write on in big
>21:24 <@ana> good point chip makes: we need to think of the newbies too
>21:24 * spanner will brb, have to tuck my son into bed...
>21:25 * chip_scooter looks thru stationery catalogue for flipcharts...
>21:25 <@ana> anyhow, about mir documentation for mere admins...
>21:25 <@ana> i've done some, i'm only waiting for some checking
>21:25 * Maqui can liberate stationary from the tirany of a shop shelf :)
>21:25 <@ana> but can send my documentation on email to you log right after
>this
>meeting
>21:26 <@ana> so you can check for incorrections
>21:26 <@ana> then this can be sent to the local lists
>21:26 <@ana> well.. when sarai is up,
>21:27 * Maqui asks if there's an agenda for this meeting and if so to move
>along please
>21:27 -!- ana [~jirc at ACB96094.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: Connection
>reset by peer]
>21:27 * chip_scooter asks are any hands up ???
>21:28 <@pault> spanner?
>21:28 -!- ben [~ben at adsl210.13.cyb.it] has quit [Read error: Connection
>reset by
>peer]
>21:28 <@pault> still being dad
>21:28 * Maqui hand then
>21:28 * spanner is back now :-)
>21:28 < spanner> ok?
>21:28 < spanner> ok
>21:28 < spanner> .
>21:29 <@pault> u had ur hand up spanner
>21:29 < spanner> i still think that we should ask ppl what training is needed,
>rather than decide for them what they ought to be capable of
>21:29 < spanner> i hear a lot of complaints on oxford imc list
>21:29 < spanner> that they can't manage
>21:29 < spanner> and i see few people doing admin the past month or two
>21:30 < spanner> that to me sound like the docs/training are insufficient
>right now
>21:30 < spanner> most ppl are too afraid to have a go and fuck it up
>21:30 < spanner> they dont want to be an admin burden on "experts"
>21:30 < spanner> i think we should respect that
>21:30 < spanner> and that we should ask ppl what they want
>21:30 < spanner> end
>21:30 * vince agrees with spanner
>21:31 <@pault> Maqui?
>21:31 < Maqui> me? ok
>21:31 < Maqui> i'd like to move on from the training issu
>21:31 < Maqui> i agree with spanner though that we should ask ppl what
>training
>is needed
>21:32 < Maqui> but i thought we had agreed on that already
>21:32 < Maqui> so i ask: what are the other points in the agenda?
>21:32 < Maqui> what about open publishing models
>21:33 < Maqui> imc-uk
>21:33 < Maqui> editorial 'policies'
>21:33 < Maqui> etc...
>21:33 <@pault> me?
>21:33 < Maqui> ok ypu
>21:33 < Maqui> you
>21:33 <@pault> we were talking earlier about the working grp
>21:33 <@pault> penary balance thing
>21:34 <@pault> & we got onto training
>21:34 <@pault> from there
>21:34 <@pault> ionnek said that we should be lloking at what was most imp
>21:34 <@pault> for us toio look at early in w/end
>21:35 <@pault> i think the question from Maqui comes from there
>21:35 <@pault> the propsal was to perhaps set up wikis etc to start 2 have
>discussion
>21:35 <@pault> [end]
>21:36 < Maqui> who's next?
>21:37 * vince raises hand
>21:37 < Maqui> go
>21:37 <@vince> i haven't followed all of the discussion, but
>21:37 <@vince> i think as pault said if the proposal is to set up wikis
>21:38 <@vince> we should decide who's doing what
>21:38 <@vince> <end>
>21:38 * Maqui hand
>21:38 <@pault> go
>21:39 < Maqui> i cant help much with wikis as i can be online all the time
>(still dial up connection :-0
>21:39 < Maqui> so in that sense im so much a 'wikki man"
>21:39 * vince points out that you can write a text on your computer and copy
>and paste it to a wiki
>21:39 < Maqui> but what i meant before is if there was any idea or plan
>21:40 * pault raises hand
>21:40 < Maqui> on how to conduct the siscussions on open postin and editorial
>guidelines
>21:40 < Maqui> as for me these are crucial issues
>21:40 -!- ana [~jirc at ACBBEF55.ipt.aol.com] has joined #uk
>21:40 < ana> got kicked out
>21:40 < Maqui> the new united killektives are still mainly borrowing
>21:41 * ana raises hand
>21:41 < Maqui> from what was written long time ago, by a group of mates that
>came (more or less) from the same environments
>21:41 < Maqui> so .. i dont have answers but i like to know if anythiong about
>this has been planned
>21:41 < Maqui> <end>
>21:41 * vince agrees very much with Maqui
>21:42 * Maqui sees vince point about witing a text on a computer :)
>21:42 <@vince> pault?
>21:42 * chip_scooter thinks ana shld use a diff ISP ;o)
>21:43 <@pault> can i drop one in the order just doing sommat
>21:43 <@pault> ana next
>21:43 < ana> pault is trying to put on a private chat the conversation i
>missed...
>21:43 < ana> ok i wanted to say what i was saying when i got kicked out
>21:43 < ana> i was trying to propose that, if we can't sort it out
>ourselves here,
>21:44 < ana> then ask in the emergency list
>21:44 < ana> who would be happy to prepare some documentation
>21:44 < ana> in each issue from the twiki
>21:44 < ana> so people can read about it before the meeting,
>21:44 < ana> either on email, twiki...
>21:44 < ana> or on paper as they enter the plenary room in sheffield
>21:45 < ana> i said i've done hte documentation on mir
>21:45 < ana> some very basic training on hiding stuff, putting features up
>21:45 < ana> and putting a picture that you have in your computer
>21:45 < ana> so i can either send it to the list,
>21:45 < ana> or send it to you all present here so you can check in case
>21:45 < ana> i got anything wrong
>21:46 < ana> then some twiki addict can put on the twiki
>21:46 < ana> whatever, just to say that i can do 'that'
>21:46 < ana> ,end>
>21:46 * vince says that he can put it on a wiki if ana sends him the stuff
>21:47 * ana thanks, i was beginning to think i got disconnected again
>21:48 <@pault> no hands raised
>21:48 <@vince> so who's next?
>21:48 <@vince> :-)
>21:49 <@vince> well the autonomy wiki is done
>21:49 <@vince> ana wrote the training wiki
>21:49 <@vince> who wants to write something about open publishing?
>21:49 <@vince> :-)
>21:49 <@pault> mmmm don't feel i could do it justice
>21:49 * chrisc hmmm
>21:50 < Maqui> it already written in the long ionneks twiki no?
>21:50 <@vince> is it? maybe
>21:50 <@vince> then someone should just summarize it
>21:50 < Maqui> she pionts out the different models
>21:50 <@vince> i think anyway it's a collective work
>21:50 <@vince> so someone starts it
>21:50 <@vince> and others help, like bunny did in the autonomy wiki
>21:50 * ana don't think open publishing needs much discussion
>21:51 < ana> i can do the two models of open publishing
>21:51 <@vince> ok, well editorial guidelines then?
>21:51 <@vince> (as I said you can all send me the stuff and i'll put it on a
>wiki if you're not wiki addict :-)
>21:51 < ana> what about them?
>21:51 <@vince> (as i am wiki addict... :-)
>21:52 < ana> sorry lost the page... can some on put url again please?
>21:52 <@vince> which page?%
>21:52 < ana> the twiki page with the topics
>21:52 <@vince> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/UkNetworkMeetings
>21:52 < ana> thanks
>21:52 <@vince> topics:
>21:52 <@vince> autonomy
>21:53 <@vince> editorial guidelines
>21:53 <@vince> new-imc process
>21:53 <@vince> communication and concensus
>21:53 <@vince> global imc network
>21:53 <@vince> <end>
>21:53 <@vince> oepn publishing also sorry
>21:53 < ana> editorial guidelines as editorial policy?
>21:54 <@vince> yep i suppose so
>21:54 < ana> don't see much of a point in discussing this in sheffield...
>21:54 < ana> sorry if i sound heretic or sth...
>21:54 * vince disagrees
>21:54 <@vince> as Maqui pointed out
>21:54 <@vince> (I think)
>21:55 <@vince> we just copied the editorial process of IMc UK
>21:55 <@chrisc> doesn't editorial guidelines cover moderation?
>21:55 <@vince> yep also i suppose
>21:55 < ana> ah chrisc i was thinking about you
>21:55 <@vince> moderation, how features are written,
>21:55 < ana> do you want to prepare somethin about slash dot?
>21:55 <@vince> 24 hours rule
>21:55 * chrisc hungover and without net connection at new home...
>21:56 < ana> ok vince i agree now
>21:56 <@chrisc> ana: sure, i could try to explain /. moderation...
>21:56 < ana> i just wouldn't call that editorial guideline...
>21:56 < ana> ok chrisc :) in your own time
>21:56 <@vince> (soory...:-)
>21:56 <@chrisc> perhaps it should be editorial / moderation?
>21:56 < ana> no...
>21:56 < ana> editorial guidelines - in my understanding
>21:56 <@vince> it's explain anyway below the imc-uk editorial title
>21:57 < ana> is what is done with the 'wire'
>21:57 < ana> what to hide, why
>21:57 < ana> the middle column and how to manage it is another thing... in my
>opinion...
>21:57 < ana> in any case, a completely separate issue
>21:58 < ana> (i'd like to clarify this in an intro as well...)
>21:58 * Maqui agrees with ana
>21:58 < ana> ok if no one else does...
>21:58 <@vince> do you want to write something about this?
>21:58 <@vince> :-)
>21:58 * spanner agrees with ana
>21:58 < ana> i can explain how the feature writing used to work like with
>active...
>21:59 * pault wonders how long we're going 2 continue [nearly 22:00]
>21:59 * vince thinks it'd be good
>21:59 < ana> and how "i" still do it now
>21:59 <@vince> then we can all add proposals, or ideas
>21:59 < ana> he he he - and why i think we shouldn't change!!!
>21:59 <@vince> :-)
>21:59 < Maqui> ok good plan
>21:59 < ana> ;-)
>21:59 < Maqui> but does everything need to be written
>21:59 < ana> ok some one send me the logs of this after this...
>21:59 <@vince> send your intro to me when you'Re finished, i'll create the
>wiki
>22:00 < Maqui> do we need so many docs for the meetingg
>22:00 < ana> maqui: yes
>22:00 * vince vince agrees with ana
>22:00 < Maqui> well not sure i can help mmuch then before the tmeeting
>22:00 * ana raises hand...
>22:00 * pault raises hand
>22:00 < Maqui> it's quite near
>22:00 * spanner has to go now, sorry
>22:00 < ana> 1. i need logs with this... so i can remember what i have
>comitted
>myself to do
>22:00 <@chip_scooter> bye
>22:00 <@vince> ciao spanner :-)
>22:00 < Maqui> and i thingk most issues should be more or less clear to most
>people attending the meeting no?
>22:00 <@pault> bye spanner thnx
>22:01 < spanner> bye
>22:01 -!- spanner [~jirc at 81-178-243-172.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit:
>Leaving]
>22:01 < ana> bye spanner... thanks
>22:01 < ana> too late
>22:01 < Maqui> by spanner
>22:01 < ana> maqui: i respond
>22:01 * vince raises hand
>22:01 < ana> i'd like to make *sure*
>22:01 < Maqui> bu wait:
>22:01 * chip_scooter watching derren brown...
>22:01 < Maqui> i also have to go soon
>22:01 < ana> that people *are* more or less clear
>22:01 < Maqui> ana go please
>22:01 < ana> that is why i want things in writing so they can read in sheff.
>22:01 < ana> before the meeting
>22:02 * ab ab-away
>22:02 < ana> before they ask questions that frustrate me
>22:02 < ana> ,end>
>22:02 <@vince> pault?
>22:02 -!- ab is now known as ab-away
>22:02 < ana> i'd like to listen to maqui if he has to goo....
>22:02 <@vince> oops sorry
>22:02 * pault gives way 2 Maqui
>22:03 < Maqui> no you go sorry
>22:03 < ana> i'm finished
>22:03 <@vince> pault?
>22:03 < ana> pault then?
>22:03 <@pault> i'm more than happy to be conduit 4 documentation
>22:03 <@pault> doc productions my thing &
>22:03 < Maqui> :) yesss !!
>22:03 <@vince> :-):-)
>22:03 <@pault> it sound like we're all gonna have some reading 2 do
>22:04 * chip_scooter thinks that sw from imc-sheff will do some documentacion
>22:04 <@pault> lodsa pdfs ok 4 folks [end]
>22:04 <@vince> me?
>22:04 < Maqui> yup
>22:04 <@vince> i just wanted to add very briefly
>22:04 <@vince> to ana's comments that these texts an docs
>22:04 <@vince> will form a very interesting documentation on organisational
>processes
>22:04 <@vince> nad are very interesting in themselves
>22:04 <@vince> not just for sheffield
>22:05 <@vince> <end> :-)
>22:05 < Maqui> very true ... agree that thy're good documentation
>22:05 < Maqui> just take lots of time to do them
>22:06 < Maqui> but if people is prepared to start them up
>22:06 < Maqui> then its ok and ill do my best to contribute
>22:06 < Maqui> in twicki or otherwise :)
>22:06 < Maqui> <.end>
>22:06 * ana raises hand
>22:06 <@vince> ana?
>22:06 < ana> are we ok with a cc list to work on this?
>22:07 < ana> or do we think it is too secretive?
>22:07 < ana> i'd like to share my documents with you lot before sending
>them to
>a public list
>22:07 < ana> among other things, because of too much filling ppl's inboxes
>22:07 * vince agrees
>22:07 < ana> we can invite them to this cc list if they want to collaborate
>22:07 < ana> with what
>22:08 <@vince> filling inboxes
>22:08 < ana> with a cc list or with working on private?
>22:08 < ana> meant public
>22:08 < ana> so we start a cc list?
>22:08 <@vince> i actually think wikis are perfect
>22:08 <@vince> bu i understand the problem
>22:08 <@vince> so a cc list is fine to me
>22:08 < ana> vince i love you but i hate some of your proposals...
>22:08 <@vince> :-)
>22:08 < ana> ;-)
>22:09 < Maqui> ok .. sorry i interrupt but i have to go
>22:09 <@vince> cool, should we stop anyway?
>22:09 <@vince> is there anyone else to discuss?
>22:09 <@chrisc> cya Maqui
>22:09 <@vince> anything sorry
>22:09 < ana> can we do a round to see who was here?
>22:09 <@pault> 2 hours is enuf mithinks
>22:09 <@chip_scooter> i woz 'ere
>22:09 -!- Irssi: #uk: Total of 16 nicks [10 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 6
>normal]
>22:09 <@vince> me too
>22:09 <@pault> me
>22:10 < ana> thanks...
>22:10 < Maqui> me
>22:10 <@pault> & ionnek earlier
>22:10 <@pault> & spanner
>22:10 <@vince> ab
>22:10 < ana> chrisc?
>22:10 < ana> bunny
>22:10 < Maqui> do we meet again next sunday here?
>22:10 <@pault> +1
>22:10 <@vince> ok
>22:10 * chip_scooter wonders how chris is connecting to irc ??? ;o)
>22:10 < ana> yes i'd say yes...
>22:10 <@chrisc> ana: what?
>22:10 * ana he went out to the park and found a wireless connection
>22:11 <@chrisc> nope i'm at bills house
>22:11 <@chip_scooter> lol
>22:11 <@pault> lol
>22:11 < ana> lol
>22:11 < ana> very loud lol
>22:11 < Maqui> ok well done everyone ... i'm .... and al do my thicki homework
>tomorrow ... promised
>22:11 < Maqui> can't wait! :))
>22:11 <@chip_scooter> he's been so quiet i didn't notice him sitting on me
>couch...
>22:11 < ana> chrisc, you have been included in a cc list to do all the
>documentation
>22:11 < Maqui> ciao
>22:11 < ana> on your own
>22:11 < ana> this is consensus
>22:11 <@chip_scooter> ciao
>22:11 <@vince> :-):-)
>22:12 <@vince> ciao
>22:12 < ana> and you are *not* going to block, it, eh?
>22:12 < ana> ciao maqui
>22:12 < ana> (chris: joking)
>22:12 -!- Maqui [shadowirc at 62.255.73.110] has quit [Quit: ShadowIRC 1.1b2 PPC]
>22:13 < ana> ok we're done?
>22:13 <@pault> i think so
>22:13 < ana> i'm pretty happy how this worked out..
>22:13 <@chip_scooter> cool
>22:13 <@vince> yep, good meeting
>22:13 <@vince> bravo � tous! :-)
>22:14 <@pault> origami all round
>22:14 < ana> si!
>22:14 < ana> some charitative soul please send me logs...
>22:14 <@chip_scooter> oregano all round...
>22:14 <@pault> ana: i will
>22:14 <@chrisc> logs to emg list?
>22:14 < ana> thanks :-)
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